Loose Change - Part II

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Airlines and all that are a-ok with me that are contacted... I'm not sure I'd like to contact the victim's families...

...I'm not saying I can't see that it may be or become necessary. But even so, it still feels like a crappy thing, possibly having to point them to such grave-pissing as LC...
I don't see what the airlines would have to gain. There's no money in it, and the poor CT's would just cry, "look at big business oppressing us!" The families would at least be able to claim that emotional distress was inflicted, but it would never get to court. I'll have some interesting reading material regarding this for you tomorrow.
 
"Crossing the Rubicon" CT author Michael Ruppert on "Loose Change"

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5929&view=findpost&p=5150165

“There is a plan by the British delegation (such as it is, so far) to get members of Parliament to watch “Loose Change”, the seminal movement DVD.” (16th paragraph) – This is one of the biggest whoppers of all. I have watched “Loose Change” and in my expert opinion it is a very fine piece of CIA disinformation, one that fits an astute maxim by Professor Peter Dale Scott: “Disinformation, in order to be effective, must be 90% accurate.”
Hmm. In that case, I'd say "Loose Change" is terrible disinfo.
 
I think William Manchester hit it on the head when he wrote about the wave of conspiracy theories in the Kennedy assassination.

Manchester said that humans need balancing on the scales for events of such titanic nature. The idea that someone as towering as Kennedy should be killed by such a worthless waif as Lee Harvey Oswald doesn't make sense, and does not do justice to Kennedy. We want the villain to be a super-villain, not just some mope, mook, mutt, loser, or jerk, as cops would say.

People also have trouble with ambiguity and open endings. Centuries of moral fables, fairy tales, and soap operas have created a demand in humans that everything be tied up neatly by the last minute of the show. We expect the killer to be the special guest villain. We expect Kojak and Steve McGarrett to snap their fingers and point out the villain. We further expect the villain to break down and confess under the lash of cross-examination by Jack McCoy or Perry Mason. We also expect John Wayne to win all the battles (even if he dies in the final scene) and that a bunch of Japanese, ragheaded Arabs, redcoated English fops, or sneery drug dealers are nowhere near as smart, capable, or clever as our generals, patriots, and detectives.

Conspiracy theories provide neat and pat endings to these disasters. They play into our fears of the unknown, demonize the usual suspects, and tap into the cynicism Americans have festered since Vietnam, Watergate, and all the other idiocies since then. Remember that the United States ground to a halt to investigate Monica Lewinsky's semen-stained dress...while Osama and his pals were scouting targets for their second attack on the World Trade Center. We cannot accept that the other guy hates us enough and is smart enough to wreck our lives...it has to be the result of a hidden and treasonous cabal that is selling out our nation, our values, our rights, our moral fiber, and our heritage.

Conspiracy theories turn a random and ambiguous world into a neat and coherent whole package...it's all the Jews' fault. It's all the Masons' fault. Big Oil did it. The bankers did it. The Communists did it. God did it. It's all in The Bible. All in Das Kapital. All at the Mason's headquarters. All in Christian Rakovsky's confession to the NKVD in 1937.

The world becomes orderly, and those who feel victimized by the world have convenient scapegoats and targets to blame for their own failures. It's not my fault my business failed...Big Oil destroyed me. It's not my fault I couldn't get into a good school...Affirmative Action quotas beat me out. It's not my fault I'm not rich and powerful...the Jews have all the money.

They also enable people to be lazy. What's the point of trying? Elections are rigged. The Jews have all the money. Better you just sit back in your chair and whine about the conspiracy on an internet forum of like-minded losers than actually try to make your life and world better.

Plus it can also be seen as the difficulty some people have with separating reality from fantasy. Seriously, what is the motivation behind some of these people when they use their faulty reasoning for it? They want to be seen as people who know THE TRUTH and how this sets them above and beyond any normal people. Finding the 'truth' they seek has a dual purpose: it both exposes the fulility of the common government and/or massive group and 'elevates' the individual(s) who figure it out so they are seen as brighter, smarter, or generally more observant. This is why they always are condescending and insulting to skeptics. It's not that we're too stupid to understand, it's that we must be stupid in order for them to be elevated above us in some kind of faux elitism that comes off as being sad and pathetic. They try to baffle with bull and get upset when challenged because they link their self-worth to a flimsy fantasy that means too much to them. They want to be seen as the hero, the only one who truly knows, the one with the leather trenchcoat and the witty comebacks who can dodge all the machine gun's bullets and climb on walls, get the girl, save the universe, fix the economy and then make a killer dinner.

They probably believe too much in televised fantasy than actual reality. I would feel sorry for them if they weren't really messing about with people's emotions.
 
Loose Change 2!

The film so good we have to give it away!

The film so good we had to make Loose Change 3 to correct all the mistakes in LC2, which was made to correct all the mistakes in LC1.

Steve S.
 
The film so good we had to make Loose Change 3 to correct all the mistakes in LC2, which was made to correct all the mistakes in LC1.

Steve S.

I don't know if anyone remembers, but there was a thread over at the LC forum about how long the movie would be if it focused only on facts. The unintentional comedic reply from one of the Loosers? "That might leave us with a very short movie."

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3778&view=findpost&p=4363670
 
I don't know if anyone remembers, but there was a thread over at the LC forum about how long the movie would be if it focused only on facts. The unintentional comedic reply from one of the Loosers? "That might leave us with a very short movie."

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3778&view=findpost&p=4363670
The quote:

The 3rd version should have NOTHING that can’t be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and have all of the proof in a place for everyone to see it.

Yes, that might make for a boring movie. It also might leave us with a very short movie, but at least there won’t be anything in it that can be used against the movement as a whole.

Just my thoughts...
:D
 
If their current one hour preview had anything to do with the final cut, there is a LOT to doubt.

I'm still laughing at the Geology lady telling me about the non-existent missile batteries. Oh crazy lady, when were they ever used?
 
"Crossing the Rubicon" CT author Michael Ruppert on "Loose Change"


Hmm. In that case, I'd say "Loose Change" is terrible disinfo.

I really couldn't believe it when I first heard that the CT guys were accusing each other of being part of the conspiracy.
Where did this idea about "disinfo" come from? Has anybody actually tried this?
"OK, guys, I got the perfect idea to keep this conspiracy covered up. We'll reveal everything, but change a couple of key facts. That way, no one will ever figure it out!"

HUH?!?
 
"OK, guys, I got the perfect idea to keep this conspiracy covered up. We'll reveal everything, but change a couple of key facts. That way, no one will ever figure it out!"
Yes, that can work. We're They're very clever. :whistling:
 
I really couldn't believe it when I first heard that the CT guys were accusing each other of being part of the conspiracy.
Where did this idea about "disinfo" come from? Has anybody actually tried this?
"OK, guys, I got the perfect idea to keep this conspiracy covered up. We'll reveal everything, but change a couple of key facts. That way, no one will ever figure it out!"

HUH?!?
Then there guys like moonbat moonhoaxbat Eric Hufschmid, who think it's possible that everyone is a disinfo agent seeking to keep his video sales down.
If you want a more diabolical possibility, consider that Dylan Avery and/or Jason Bermas are connected to the criminal network through relatives. In such a case, their relatives may have encouraged Avery or Bermas to create this video in order to give them something to push aside "Painful Deceptions."
http://www.erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm
 
So in 30 years will a bald, overweight Dylan Avery be promoting Loose Change 47, the version that really sets the record straight?

Steve S.
 
Ever heard of COINTELPRO? Read the stories in the NYT about the government spending huge amounts of money producing fake news?

As you folks spend your days talking about "woo"'s, i'm sure you know John Gray, the author of "men are from mars, women are from venus". Did you know that he is associated with the shadowy Adnan Khashoggi? The "Iran-Contra"-Khashoggi? The "Genesis Intermedia" Khashoggi? Did you know he sponsored a 9/11-Conference back in 2004?

Ever thought about why it was "Loose Change" that revealed the existence of the 9/11-"CT" to you? It's not only because you or your friends heard about Sheen and the other "nutters" on CNN. People like Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Jack Blood, Dave von Kleist etc did the promotional prework. People who are associated with GCN, the influential "Genesis Communication Network" (*ring ring*).

Do you know who the last owner of the "twin"-machine of the plane that was lately busted in mexico with 5.5 tons of cocaine was? Right, Adnan Khashoggi. And who is the owner of the busted plane? "Nobody knows".

Perhaps some of you noticed that f.e. wtc7.net warned back in August 05 about Loose Change and how it will get "debunked". You did a good job, brave citizens that you are.

And did you notice that there is - beside folks like you - another topic that gets frequently deleted or ridiculed over at the Loose Change-Forum? That's the work of people like Daniel Hopsicker. Read the sticky thread "Everybody's gotta learn sometime" at their "Investigate 9/11"-Subforum and see how the notorious "TheQuest" and "datars" are behaving.

Think about it, folks. Critical.

P.S. And make sure you watch "Who killed John O'Neill" (wkjo.com) and read some articles on Hopsickers site madcowprod.com, especially the three part series "COINTELPRO 9/11" in the archives.

P.P.S. Your smilies suck. :p
 
I actually enjoyed listening to the clips on this thread:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5959
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I love this reply about the caller, re: Operation Northwoods
It shows that your 'trusted' government officials put the plans on paper and they were almost greenlighted. They show it's not a conspiracy theory that out own government would commit terrorism in our country and blame it on someone else to achieve a political outcome. If you can't figure this out, may the Lord help you.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5959&view=findpost&p=5162742
Only in CT land does "almost greenlighted" mean "summarily rejected."
 
Should I know what the hell John Gray has to do with any of this? Were you the one that got busted with 5.5 tons of cocaine in Mexico? How many times do we have to tell you people, don't get high on your own supply!

P.S. Please try to make your posts coherent.

P.P.S. Try clicking on "More" in the smilies box. May I suggest the "Bananas" section, they're my favorite. :bananalama:
 
Ever heard of COINTELPRO? Read the stories in the NYT about the government spending huge amounts of money producing fake news?
Welcome to the forum.
I have heard of COINTELPRO, but I don't follow your post. Can you be more direct?
 
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