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[scrappy]

And yet, flaccon is on record in this thread:







In what way do the "spirits" "get through to the electric wires through [flaccon's] fingers" if she is not somehow holding the wires?

I repeat my contention that Tracey is producing the sounds herself in the same way that JREF member abaddon used to do.

Tracey is hearing the amplified noise of the speaker wire's metal jack, rubbing against the metal computer port. As she listens to otherwise silent or ambient-noise-only audio files, Tracey hears these amplified "fidget" noises because she is manipulating the speaker wire with her fingers.

She then applies audio pareidolia in the usual, normal, human way, and hears "voices". She then attributes a spiritual source to these supposed voices.

This explains what Tracey has meant when she says she only hears the "voices" during playback of the silent files. It explains why she can hear the noises on "older records" and on a different laptop. It also explains why none of us on this end can hear them: we're not finger-manipulating the speaker wires.


I suggest a test protocol be devised to eliminate this possibility. One test in which she touches the wires in her usual way (whether she defines this as "manipulating wires" or not is irrelevant) as she listens to an audio file, and one in which her "special fingers" have no contact with the wires. I doubt flaccon/Tracey will agree to it, but there you go.

I have not seen flaccon touch any wires. Like she says, she prefers total silence in the room. It was declared by alderbank a while back that when flaccon uploads, the noises/words become distorted and lose quality. That's because she is not uploading actual "recorded" words. Flaccon has a recording made with alderbank titled "Recording made with alderbank" it says to go to the news papers.

 

[scrappy]

In feb 2013, there were 2 silent recordings made on my laptop. These recordings were to show Rev C what a silent recording sounds like, before Flaccon played him a silent recording on her laptop . We re-played these 2 recordings and there were no sounds at all heard.

In June 2013, Flaccon asked if I would send her a silent recording through via email. I did not understand how to operate Youcam, and so I sent her the 2 recording that were made in Feb.

Flaccon phoned me after she had received the files and asked what on earth had I sent her. I told her I'd sent her the 2 silent files that were made in Feb for Rev C. She played them over the phone to me, I did not recognise the recordings as the same ones. I replayed her the originals over the phone. Both recordings had dramatically altered. The first recording sounds like "Welcome Brother Robin" then there is a loud frequency, a strange voice, and then a beep, this beep altered the frequency in some way.

Flaccon drove to Nottingham and checked this out for herself. Now whenever I make a recording, I hear a voice. This voice and the interference has only been present since June.

I do not manipulate any wires and I have never seen Flaccon manipulate wires.

Recently I spoke with Flaccon via mobile. She became confused and asked me to switch off my satnav. The satnav was not on. Flaccon asked if I could hear any other voices other than hers, I replied no. Flaccon had difficulty in hearing me over the other noises that she claimed were present. I could not hear any interference. Flaccon then recorded, several times the strange noises that were coming from her mobile phone. On play-back it was clear why Flaccon could not hear me, there were other voices present.
I do feel a sense of duty to report "contact" from another plain/dimension/planet/ what ever it is, but like Flaccon, I have no idea where to report it to as yet. I am willing to stand witness for Flaccon if and when she is reported for false claims, as is Mr Bulger and other firm witnesses, including her family members.

I believe Flaccon requires serious help from the Church. She contacted the Church at the spirits requests, all Flaccon asked for was some light shedding. I will soon meet with Flaccons GP, then I shall contact Rev B myself, her Bishop, and my own Bishop.

Flaccon has recently informed me that the spirit said, if these forms of contact are not good enough, they will enter into her television (they politely used the word "invade")

Flaccon used to politely accuse me of pretending to hear the words she hears, but that has never been the case. I do hear the words she hears, and I do hear words without prompts. There are lots of different voices going on, but some are very clear.

 

[Alderbank]

Alderbank, I have no idea what this post is about ,it is full of assumptions that are very wrong . Of course I pick up the speakers to listen in . Jsfishers file did alter at 21 seconds and thereon .And the rest what you have written is wrong and badly misguides the group . The recording you repeatedly insist has the correct title "Wimbledon" has been incorrectly titled by you . I can confirm that this is the recording made at my home with the Rev C present . It was originally titled "Reverend C " .Please it is important to stick to facts only .

Ref to Alderbank hash 3345 .


P.S. it isn't a game .

I am sorry if you feel that what I have written is wrong and badly misguides the group. When you say 'this post' which do one you mean? I welcome your disagreement. That is how we will progress. However the courtesy here is to repost and take it apart point by point and explain why it is wrong.


I realise that both you and flaccon have a thing about file names. The file which I renamed 'Wimbledon' was actually called 'Evidence' by flaccon when she gave it to me so you are also wrong about the name. Others here will understand why I renamed it.

So please quote the post or posts which badly misguides the group and add your corrections. I think I can say that we will all look forward to reading what you have to say.

 

[Vortigern99]

I have not seen flaccon touch any wires.

You don't have to have seen flaccon touch them; she admitted touching them herself when she wrote:

Being within, they [the spirits] get through to the electric wires through my fingers.​

The rest of your post is a surprisingly well-punctuated series of non-sequiturs.

 

[Donn]

I do hear words without prompts. There are lots of different voices going on, but some are very clear.

Serious question: Can you, scrappy, think of a methodical way by which we here following step-by-step can hear these words too?

 

[trustbutverify]

Flaccon has recently informed me that the spirit said, if these forms of contact are not good enough, they will enter into her television (they politely used the word "invade")

Flaccon used to politely accuse me of pretending to hear the words she hears, but that has never been the case. I do hear the words she hears, and I do hear words without prompts. There are lots of different voices going on, but some are very clear.

So if recordings were made and transcribed by flaccon alone, after which the recording was delivered to you and you listened and transcribed it alone, the two transcriptions would exactly match. Is this correct?

 

[Vortigern99]

Alderbank, I have no idea what this post is about ,it is full of assumptions that are very wrong . Of course I pick up the speakers to listen in . Jsfishers file did alter at 21 seconds and thereon .And the rest what you have written is wrong and badly misguides the group . The recording you repeatedly insist has the correct title "Wimbledon" has been incorrectly titled by you . I can confirm that this is the recording made at my home with the Rev C present . It was originally titled "Reverend C " .Please it is important to stick to facts only .

Ref to Alderbank hash 3345 .

P.S. it isn't a game .

At some point between the above-quoted post (from the previous page of this thread) and his new posts on this page, Mr Roberts has learned how to punctuate correctly.

 

[Daylightstar]

At some point between the above-quoted post (from the previous page of this thread) and his new posts on this page, Mr Roberts has learned how to punctuate correctly.

It's indeed very curious. Very curious. Why does that happen, scrappy?

 

[Daylightstar]

... That's because she is not uploading actual "recorded" words. ...

She can email me the following file, as requested several times before:

..., We don't belong in a circus. I listened in with her and said to her "I doubt you will hear that sentence its too long" She replied "Yes I got that sentence too" ...

... a spirit clearly but quietly says "It's evident we don't belong in a circus" ...

^{Hilites by Daylightstar}
flaccon, do you have in your possession a file in which such a sentence can clearly (and apparently repeatedly) be heard?

If so, I'd like to hear it. Could you email that file (email address via the icon below my post count) to me?
I'll extract the audio and post it here.

 

[Alderbank]

It's indeed very curious. Very curious. Why does that happen, scrappy?

The spirits do it, of course. If they can do it without changing the MD5 we might have a testable claim at last

 

[scrappy]

I am sorry if you feel that what I have written is wrong and badly misguides the group. When you say 'this post' which do one you mean? I welcome your disagreement. That is how we will progress. However the courtesy here is to repost and take it apart point by point and explain why it is wrong.


I realise that both you and flaccon have a thing about file names. The file which I renamed 'Wimbledon' was actually called 'Evidence' by flaccon when she gave it to me so you are also wrong about the name. Others here will understand why I renamed it.

So please quote the post or posts which badly misguides the group and add your corrections. I think I can say that we will all look forward to reading what you have to say.

Renaming the file Wimbledon, is using power of suggestion, on a file that has been wrongly titled. It is very misleading. As I said, this recording you have made a mistake with, has been recorded at my home with the Rev C. Her file titled evidence, is one made at her home back in December.

 

[scrappy]

She can email me the following file, as requested several times before:

She said the sentence was clear but very quiet, Mr's S heard it. There is the same sentence said in an electronic voice, loud but behind a frequency.

 

[Donn]

The spirits do it, of course. If they can do it without changing the MD5 we might have a testable claim at last

Now I really wish she'd been hearing the voice of her gramma!

 

[desertgal]

Oh, good heavens, now the voices can be heard through her cell phone? What's next? Oh, wait, obviously her television.

I'd like to know why scrappy is now presenting new claims on flaccon's behalf? Especially since SHE was the one to hear the voices on her cell phone and he couldn't? Surely, if flaccon wants to make that claim, she can do it herself, instead of relying on scrappy to tell the tale secondhand?

Scrappy's involvement here just seems to be confusing the objective of clarifying what claim flaccon might wish to test. Throwing new details into the mix, and second hand at that, doesn't help.

IOW, scrappy, maybe you should desist posting for a time, and let flaccon speak for herself? You're just muddying the waters.

 

[Alderbank]

Oh, good heavens, now the voices can be heard through her cell phone? What's next? Does her television talk to her, too?

Flaccon has recently informed me that the spirit said, if these forms of contact are not good enough, they will enter into her television

You must be psychic, Desertgal!

 

[Daylightstar]

... It was declared by alderbank a while back that when flaccon uploads, the noises/words become distorted and lose quality. ...

Is that statement based on this post by Alderbank?:

If this process works it is paranormal so none of us understand the mechanism. Copying a file sounds harmless but it might be critical and ruin the process. I think we should not deviate from what has been agreed between flaccon and jsf unless flaccon confirms it will be OK to do so

Just my opinion

^{Hilite by Daylightstar}
Or this post by Alderbank?

Yes it can be challenging uploading files to the JREF board, flaccon. That is because we are only allowed to upload small files so to get them there at all, posters need to compress them and this changes the quality. The best thing for you to do is to email files to jsfisher or Daylightstar who can post them elsewhere on the internet where there is plenty of room. There is no loss of quality if you email digital files.

If you follow Daylightstar's instructions he tells you how to find his email address.

^{Hilites by Daylightstar}
The actual uploading of files does not change the quality. The jref has very small limits and does not itself compress attached data further.

If you are in doubt, put the question to a moderator and you'll be sorted out.
You can do that by reporting this post by clicking the little triangle with the exclamation mark n the very bottom left of this post. Refer to the blue text in this post.

Audio can be extracted from a wmv file and put into a much smaller container without loss of quality, making it possible to upload it here without (again) loss of quality.
Emailing a file does not change your file if your email client does not compress the data.

There's no excuse for not uploading or not emailing an wmv/audio file.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

She said the sentence was clear but very quiet, Mr's S heard it. There is the same sentence said in an electronic voice, loud but behind a frequency.

Do you actually think this has any meaning?

The request is to send the file that supposedly contains a clear full sentence. Your response is some other witness heard it. Do you see how that does not help?

What the hell is "behind a frequency" supposed to mean?

Please. Try to help, or stay out of this.

 

[desertgal]

You must be psychic, Desertgal!

Ha! I saw I was going to go back and catch that in scrappy's post after I missed it the first time.

I want my million. Hundreds will do, no tens or twenties.

 

[tsig]

Flaccon, it is becoming clearer and clearer that you have no interest in furthering the salvation of mankind with your repeated refusal to read and digest what is being written here. You have had a wealth of advice and instruction (often repeated) and not one scintilla of this this seems to have sunk in. You MUST rule out pareidolia by testing and NOT by assertion. What you witnessed is anecdote and it's been explained to you previously why that won't fly.

Not again! So far, just here at JREF, I've been offered salvation half a dozen times only to miss out when the messenger gets miffed.

 

[Daylightstar]

She said the sentence was clear but very quiet, Mr's S heard it. There is the same sentence said in an electronic voice, loud but behind a frequency.

Yes, I know what she said:

... a spirit clearly but quietly says "It's evident we don't belong in a circus" ...

^{Hilite by Daylightstar}since this is what I have quoted several times.

That's why I have been asking her to email me that file, so I could hear this purported spirit clearly but quietly say: "It's evident we don't belong in a circus" or the earlier version "we don't belong in a circus".

If you could remind her to email that file to me, then I can have a look at the file.
(10 seconds ago I had not received anything from her)