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abaddon
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You miss the point. Privacy is not the question. You could post such a story here and have it discussed until forever. This is a discussion board, after all. Posting such wild claims on your own site and claiming 100% accuracy is a very different thing.
I am not sure how it is clearly false. Are wires not considered hardware?
If I purchase a new system, the recordings will be silent. I can save these silent recordings and wait until the spirits are through to the new system, and fill up the silence.
Something I have noticed, if I do a fresh recording, any slight creak is amplified on playback, and knocks their frequency off balance (almost to silence) If I use a pre recorded file, with pre recorded creaks, these pre recorded creaks do not interfere with their added frequency.
Drs_Res
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Flaccon,
You have already recorded a silent sound track, and you said you got dead silence when listening to it. A new system won't help you and it will be a waste of money (unless you want to upgrade your computer for other reasons).
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You have already recorded a silent sound track, and you said you got dead silence when listening to it. A new system won't help you and it will be a waste of money (unless you want to upgrade your computer for other reasons).
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jsfisher
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flaccon,
What you may have first assumed about the spirits and what you are now finding seems to have an ever widening gap. At some point you will need to honestly assess the implications of that, but for now, can we focus on the following questions?
What you may have first assumed about the spirits and what you are now finding seems to have an ever widening gap. At some point you will need to honestly assess the implications of that, but for now, can we focus on the following questions?
- What verifiable thing can the spirits tell you that you wouldn't already know?
- What verifiable thing can the spirits tell someone else that the someone else wouldn't already know (even though you may)?
- What is the very important message the spirits are so desperate to communicate?
asydhouse
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It doesn't sound stupid, it seems quite distressing. Unfortunately as things stood, it did look dishonest.
Thank you for understanding that your previous claims could be harmful to others, and for removing them from your website.
I am curious what you consider "documented", by which I mean what methods of documentation you have used. Depositions by independent objective observers? (Not family members!). Something caught on film (clearly and unambiguously)?
Simply recalling past events and then writing down your account, even if more than one person was present and agrees with the account (and even if straight after events), is mere anecdotal reportage, and not useful documentation. I've tried to explain how it's possible to sincerely believe you have experienced something, but it can be an illusion, even if you would swear blind it was real and solid. People can share hallucinations. The more invested in the experience you are, the more you can create the experience, and collude unconsciously in generating the experience in each others' minds. People are highly suggestible!
On the other hand, people are extremely bad at observing what's happening in front of them. Have you ever seen that video where there are some dancers, and a couple of minutes into the video a man dressed in a gorilla suit walks out among them, wanders about for a few seconds, and then walks away again? Incredible as it seems, I did not see the man in the suit until it was replayed and the man pointed out with some onscreen pointer or something (I can't remember). Most people fail to see the gorilla!
Or the demonstration in a class where an armed man suddenly runs into the classroom and mugs the teacher, and then runs out of the room? Afterwards the teacher asks the members of the class, who had really believed it was real, what did the mugger look like, and they all report different and contradictory details? Eye witness testimony is a miserable failure.
You are clearly totally wed to your conviction that some things have happened in the past that are incontrovertible realities. That conviction is a boulder in your path. Until you are willing to admit that your mind is so powerful that it can fool you, and find the motivation or desire to accept the reality that science has described, that there is no such thing as a "spirit world" or any supernatural phenomena, you will not get past the theatre of your own creation.
Ultimately it really comes down to you deciding what you really want: peaceful and healthful life, or psychodrama?
I hope you find peace... and life.
Thank you. Do you hold the card against the webcam or attach it with something such as sellotape or blu-tak?
wardenclyffe
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It doesn't sound stupid, it seems quite distressing. Unfortunately as things stood, it did look dishonest.
Thank you for understanding that your previous claims could be harmful to others, and for removing them from your website.
I am curious what you consider "documented", by which I mean what methods of documentation you have used. Depositions by independent objective observers? (Not family members!). Something caught on film (clearly and unambiguously)?
Simply recalling past events and then writing down your account, even if more than one person was present and agrees with the account (and even if straight after events), is mere anecdotal reportage, and not useful documentation. I've tried to explain how it's possible to sincerely believe you have experienced something, but it can be an illusion, even if you would swear blind it was real and solid. People can share hallucinations. The more invested in the experience you are, the more you can create the experience, and collude unconsciously in generating the experience in each others' minds. People are highly suggestible!
On the other hand, people are extremely bad at observing what's happening in front of them. Have you ever seen that video where there are some dancers, and a couple of minutes into the video a man dressed in a gorilla suit walks out among them, wanders about for a few seconds, and then walks away again? Incredible as it seems, I did not see the man in the suit until it was replayed and the man pointed out with some onscreen pointer or something (I can't remember). Most people fail to see the gorilla!
Or the demonstration in a class where an armed man suddenly runs into the classroom and mugs the teacher, and then runs out of the room? Afterwards the teacher asks the members of the class, who had really believed it was real, what did the mugger look like, and they all report different and contradictory details? Eye witness testimony is a miserable failure.
You are clearly totally wed to your conviction that some things have happened in the past that are incontrovertible realities. That conviction is a boulder in your path. Until you are willing to admit that your mind is so powerful that it can fool you, and find the motivation or desire to accept the reality that science has described, that there is no such thing as a "spirit world" or any supernatural phenomena, you will not get past the theatre of your own creation.Ultimately it really comes down to you deciding what you really want: peaceful and healthful life, or psychodrama?
I hope you find peace... and life.
It is possible that the highlighted portion is correct, but it need not logically be so. There might be a spirit world or supernatural phenomenon. But flaccon has not shown that there is and the spirits that appeared so desperate to get their messages out seem to vanish as soon as someone (other than flaccon or those in her immediate circle) tries to listen. Everyone else sees a frog. flaccon sees a singing frog. flaccon needs to find a way to get the frog to sing for someone who can do something about it, but so far the frog is just messing with her and making her look foolish. She says she knows how stupid it all sounds, and she's right, it does. Unless something changes in the spirits' behavior, flaccon will have to eventually come to one of the following conclusions:
1. The spirits are real and simply cannot communicate beyond flaccon and her small circle.
2. The spirits are real and they simply WILL not communicate beyond flaccon and her small circle (in which case they are deliberately making her look foolish).
3. The spirits are not real and this is a case of paredolia.
4. The spirits are not real and something else is causing this type of hallucination. Maybe something like this: http://www.ghostvillage.com/resource...10312004.shtml
If I were flaccon, I'd prefer it to be #4. That way, there are not evil (or at minimum mischievous) spirits messing with me. It might not be the exact mechanism in the link I included, but a thorough examination of the environment and further medical tests might be warranted.
Ward
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That ghostvillage link doesn't work, Ward
The claims are not wild. Crazy yes, but not as off the mark as you think.
wardenclyffe
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Thanks. Sorry. Try this: http://www.ghostvillage.com/resources/2004/resources_10312004.shtml
Thanks again,
Ward
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...then provide support for your claims.
Squeegee Beckenheim
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See, when you make posts like this, the only thing I can discern from them is that you don't understand what the word "frequency" means.
These two pose no problem, the spirits could still prove their existence easily.
Weird. I'd go for #3, and wouldn't need to think about it for a split second.
Anyway, if those are the only possibilities, then it's either testable or the spirits don't exist. flaccon seems to to for secret option #5, namely that the spirits exist, they can communicate with anyone, they are desperate to communicate but somehow they don't, only when it's just her and her family members present.
I don't like to call it a frequency, I call it entanglement, but I refer to it as a frequency because posters mention frequency. I understand the word frequent.
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These two pose no problem, the spirits could still prove their existence easily.
Weird. I'd go for #3, and wouldn't need to think about it for a split second.
Anyway, if those are the only possibilities, then it's either testable or the spirits don't exist. flaccon seems to to for secret option #5, namely that the spirits exist, they can communicate with anyone, they are desperate to communicate but somehow they don't, only when it's just her and her family members present.
I guess I went for #4 because I'm trying to put myself in flaccon's shoes. In order to do that in a way that works for me there has to be more than just paredolia. I think there's far more to this than she's letting on. I think the experiences go way beyond hearing voices in recordings on a computer. I'm speculating, but there seems to be a feeling associated with this that is deeper than hearing and evaluating sounds. I believe that that feeling (for lack of a better description) is what's driving this.
Otherwise, flaccon, who seems like an intelligent person who gets along in the real world would see all the same things we are seeing. It seems something is either preventing her from putting it all together or the spiritual high that she gets from these experiences is too great for her to let go.
That's why I chose #4, because if it were just #3 I think any of us, including flaccon, would have gotten on with our lives.
There's something else.
Ward
These two pose no problem, the spirits could still prove their existence easily.
Weird. I'd go for #3, and wouldn't need to think about it for a split second.
Anyway, if those are the only possibilities, then it's either testable or the spirits don't exist. flaccon seems to to for secret option #5, namely that the spirits exist, they can communicate with anyone, they are desperate to communicate but somehow they don't, only when it's just her and her family members present.
I would say my family members are important to identify two of the voices. GP and the Rev'd, they were equally as important. Close friends also. Too many cert witnesses to go for the frog scenario option.
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You proposed that the spirits add their voices through the wires during playback, but you have now demonstrated that the voices do not appear in playback if the playback is silent. This indicates that the voices are not added to the noise in the recording, they are the noise.
You do not need to purchase a new system. You can make silent recordings right now using your existing laptop and Audacity. However, you will be waiting for a long time if you hope the spirits will eventually learn to speak over silent tracks. The 'voices' are merely flaws in the recordings.
That effect you are hearing is called compression. The recorder has an automatic gain control on its input to adjust its sensitivity somewhat, based on how loud or quiet the source material is. If you record in near silence, the input gain rises to its maximum. Any creak which is loud enough will make the system react by ducking the gain down a bit, making the background noise seem to diminish. After a moment of silence, the gain will creep back up again. The pre-recorded creaks you are comparing it to will have been similar but less powerful sounds which did not trigger the AGC to turn itself down.
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