Soundcloud wouldn't download for me but I did manage to download Audacity. No extra volume is necessary now. Can I ask, is there such equipment that can single out one of the voices?
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Soundcloud wouldn't download for me but I did manage to download Audacity. No extra volume is necessary now. Can I ask, is there such equipment that can single out one of the voices?
This is exactly one of the reasons I need "hands on" Someone who understands how to use technology. Also, my right-click stopped working a few months back.
Its not random noise though, it's voices all trying to be heard. Your vey welcome to test them, and listen in for answers if you wish to. But, if you hear sentences with your name in them, replying to you, would a colour-test be necessary? My confusion is right there. Anyone wishing to ring me and listen in are welcome. Not that it proves anything just now, other than voices are present, but the offer is there.
Pixel42
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And I would feel a lot more comfortable about travelling to Chester and/or encouraging my local SitP group to invite you as a speaker if you would share some examples first.
Have you tried asking them my name yet?
Pixel42
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That has yet to be established. We know how you're choosing to interpret what you're hearing, we're trying to find out if your interpretation is correct.
Most definitely. I am as subject to pareidolia as you, or anyone else.
Then you still haven't grasped the nature of pareidolia.
As you say it wouldn't prove anything, especially as the sound quality over a phone line is so poor.
Please don't take this the wrong way Flaccon, but for reasons of my own privacy and security, I'm not comfortable with giving out my personal contact details to strangers on the internet. Which is why I originally suggested you upload the files to Soundcloud and PM me a link, that way both our privacy is kept intact.
I may start to feel different about it if/when any contact is made by other people who have offered and proven to not be problematic for them, but at present you are a potential internet nut and I'd no more want to give you my contact details then I'd want to give them to a crazy cat lady who shouts at lamposts.
Having said all that, my offer to listen to and examine your files on my studio equipment still stands if you wish to upload them to Soundcloud or a similar site and just send me a link via PM. Soundcloud is completely free of charge and isn't complicated as it accepts many different file types and converts them to mp3 for you.
https://soundcloud.com/
Straycat, if I was an internet nut, searching for business with a very bizarre story, why would I be here touting for business? with a story that would only work with an idiot. Makes no sense unless its genuine.
You all know about me, my landline is [SNIP]. My name is Tracey, I work in the Antiques trade, and I have 3 lovely children. Why don't you ring me, using 141 to block your number being revealed?
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Pixel42
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I think we're all pretty sure you're genuine, but there are a lot of nutters on the internet and it's wise to be cautious.
Why don't you ask the spirits what my name is?
Then I just might.
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It would only prove that voices are present. Identifying where they are straying from is the answer.
Alderbank will come, and maybe we can get over the first hurdle, which is, Am I a really a nut, or am I touting for business with "skeptics" with a daft story, spanning 20 years (I'm sure all previous experiences will have been privately documented) If Alderbank reports that there is nothing worthy of an investigation, I will apologise to you all, and respectfully leave this site.
If I was touting for business. I would operate very low-key right now after the Amanda Berry story. This communication (if gen of course) stops ALL the idiots out there preying on the bereft. It stops a lot of negativity world wide.
If I am just a nut, or someone suffering some sort of after-effect of Paredolia, please understand that I am still of sound mind, enough to be fully aware of "consequences" I have weighed up serious consequences, and as much as I value my life/sanity/privacy, there are things far more important.
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Flaccon, I'm sure you believe you are genuine and a very nice and sincere person. But what if I'm a psychopathic stalker?
The problem is that neither of us know the other and the distribution of some files that I could examine for you can be done without either of us putting ourselves at potential risk.
I do hope the mods are sensible enough to remove your personal details if you don't do it yourself.
Sorry, I won't be phoning you as it doesn't actually move this forward any. I already know you believe you can hear voices in these recordings. What I want to do is examine the recordings from their source file on studio grade equipment, not while you play them through domestic speakers down a phone line.
I'll also add that as I only live about an hour away from Chester, I too could help out with a proper test, but before anything can happen, you are going to have to make some effort to allow other people (hopefully myself included as I have offered) to confirm that the raw files do indeed contain voices as you claim they do. Again please don't take this the wrong way, I'm being as delicate as I can when I say: Remember that at present all we have is your word for it and it's not exactly sensible to accept the word of someone who is potentially imagining hearing voices.
When the noises die down here I will do yes, interesting test. I live next to a cow field, the birds and tractor's are picked up easily. I wont force evidence on anyone, I'm just saying, it's here when your ready to trust.
I'm ready to trust.
Pixel42
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None of us know who Alderbank is either, their posts on this thread are their first despite having been a member for a couple of years. For all we know he/she is a nut (no offence, Alderbank).
You could support your claims right now, by providing audio files or asking the spirits what my name is and reporting the results.
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No one is going to trust the evidence until you've presented some for us to examine. At present you say you want to share this stuff but you do nothing to ensure that can happen.
I'd like to be able to decipher the entanglement in the background, it sounds a busy place. Its like talking to my Father, and him replying back, using the same words we use. There are occasions when he speaks without sounding like he has laryngitis. One thing I find more strange (believe it or not) my Father never swore in the 42 years I knew him. He swears in the spirit-world. It's just unheard of, him swearing. I never heard him even say "flipping heck" nothing, and he raised 7 children. He was a Ex-Policeman, quit the force after feeling guilty for the accidental death of a 16 year old petty thief.
There is so much information that I cannot grasp, but there is plenty I can, and plenty for the experts to figure out.
Empress
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flaccon, not to pile on with this point, but you still seem not to understand that pareidolia is not something you are diagnosed with, or suffer the after-effects of. It is simply a part of the way that all of experience our universe. It is the way we fill in words in garbled speech, or see pictures in clouds. It is not a diagnosis, and it doesn't mean you have a mental illness.
Look at this snipped quote of yours:
If I'm reading that correctly, it appears that you were sitting in front of the computer trying to come up with a username and saw a smear on the screen. Your mind, like all our minds, turned a smear into a word, which you decided to utilize as a name. That is a perfect example of pareidolia. There is nothing unusual or supernatural about it. You saw a smear, which looked a bit like writing, and you converted it into a name.
We do the same thing with sounds as we do with sight. Birds can be named after the sound they make. Here in the US we have a bird called the Bob White. It was named after the sound of its call. Here's an example 8-second mark):
That bird is not saying "Bob White" but that's what it sounds like to an English-speaking human, esp once you've been told that's what it sounds like. So that's what the bird is called. That's auditory pareidolia. We all experience it, and it's not anyone trying to insist that you have a diagnosed medical condition.
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Yes I reckon they can. Before making this offer on the Forum, Flaccon PMd me to ask for information about me and I volunteered enough for the spirits to Google me quite easily.
Flaccon has invited me to phone her landline number and listen to a recording. I think I will pass on that one because what I hear would be of no interest to other thread viewers. Instead I urge you to do what Stray Cat and Squeegee suggest and post a high quality recording where others can listen as well.
I am fascinated by this project and I am ready to attend whenever you wish for the next stage. You mention Sundays – I can be there next Sunday afternoon and any other Sunday you choose.
On Sunday morning I will take part in the annual Mersey Tunnel 10K in Liverpool. I am pleased that the spirits are watching me. I don’t need them to tell me my name - I know that already - but I would be impressed if they would give my time in advance for this run. It would not be proof of anything of course but it is an easy way for them to show us their sincerity and would get this project off to a great start. Don’t tell me my time Flaccon– perhaps you could PM Pixel42 if that is OK ?
What does everyone think?
Professor Yaffle
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A demonstration of just how easily our senses can been made to hear something that isn't there is the McGurk Effect. The exact same recording will be heard differently depending on the mouth movements we see accompanying it - you can check for yourself that the recording doesn't change by not looking at the video when you listen another time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect
Expecting to hear a certain thing can certainly influence what we actually hear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect
Expecting to hear a certain thing can certainly influence what we actually hear.
Thank you, have my landline if you wish to hear how they sound. I'm willing to trust a gentleman I don't know from this site, but I sense his genuinity completely, and his common sense. I am looking forward to meeting a person with common sense.
Pixel42
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It's the right sort of idea in that there's no way that anyone could obtain this information except via the paranormal (other than a very lucky guess), but there's no reason to think that spirits can see the future even if they do exist, so there's an obvious excuse if they fail.
There's a good reason why the sort of test where the odds of chance success can be calculated in advance, and success criteria significantly greater than that agreed, is usually preferred. It's simple, and the results speak for themselves.
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