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To flaccon,

Like I said
Flaccon, it's over now... finished. I'm really sad that these so called spirits can't do better.

Well, that's not really true, 'cos I knew that it was gonna end this way. I'd back out whilst you still have one little shred of dignity left.
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Shame you chose not to take my advice. Think again.
 
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bluesjnr said:
Calm down. I certainly don't expect flaccon to apologise to me for phoning you.
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Nope, I am with Alderbank on this one. I do expect an apology if the allegations prove out. Although Alderbank be the direct victim of the offense, many of us have been part of this trust-building exercise, and it appears to have been betrayed. We all have a stake.
 
Alderbank said:
Flaccon

My daughter has rung me at work to say that you have made an offensive call to her on our home phone. I have not shared my home phone number with you although I am easy to find, and this is completely unacceptable.

I have never been other than polite and respectful to you. I can only think that your action is because moral pressure from other posters here has forced you to take down your disgraceful website.

Please confine your future communication to the open forum. If you make another call like that to my home I will go straight to the police.

I, and I hope other posters here, expect an apology from you
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:jaw-dropp:

I do expect an apology (to you). Many people, especially you, have gone out of their way to help her. I actually naively thought we were making slow progress. Ouch!

:jaw-dropp:
 
bluesjnr said:
Calm down. I certainly don't expect flaccon to apologise to me for phoning you.

Dealing with this on an open forum is not the way to proceed, if you think there is reason for concern then you should not hesitate to contact the police rather than play out the drama here.
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It is not yet a police matter. But it is a forum matter. I think it is a breach of the MA
 
jsfisher said:
Nope, I am with Alderbank on this one. I do expect an apology if the allegations prove out. Although Alderbank be the direct victim of the offense, many of us have been part of this trust-building exercise, and it appears to have been betrayed. We all have a stake.
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And that's your prerogative. I'm not so sure that everybody has been quite as altruistic as you.

It is none of my business who phones Alderbank up and what they may or may not have said that may or may not have been offensive. You're taking Alderbanks word for this.
 
Alderbank said:
It is not yet a police matter. But it is a forum matter. I think it is a breach of the MA
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Couldn't say but it seems unlikely that JREF should police people outside the forum. I'd say you gotta take the rough with the smooth. I'm sure you'd have been delighted to have been in on the most earth shattering discovery in the history of mankind at the very start, pity it didn't work out that way and you stepped into the life of someone clearly suffering from "issues".

Colour me surprised at the way things have worked out.
 
chillzero said:
On the contrary, flaccon, you absolutely do apply interpretation. You didn't quite answer what I asked - you did it in a haphazard mannaer, and I think that you would gain a hell of a lot from this thread if you would simply slow down - learn to read posts slowly, and more than once to absorb exactly what is being asked. You have a tendancy to pick out one little part, often what's not the main point of the post, and wander off on that.
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Unfortunately, in order for her to do what you're requesting, she's going to have to read your paragraph very carefully.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Thinking it an interesting challenge I tried it and yes, you can. Generate silence in Audacity and export it as a .wav. Open the .wav in another audio editing program (I used Sound Forge). Normalise it and you'll get some white noise that you won't get by normalising it in Audacity. Export that as a low-quality mp3. Load it back into Audacity and normalise it again. Export that as a low-quality mp3 and you've got audio artefacts generated from silence.
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Do this two hundred more times and you become the first person to discover Homeopathic Voice Generation[tm].
 
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It is perfectly reasonable to take Alderbank's word on this at the moment. This is not exactly an extraordinary claim...
 
bluesjnr said:
And that's your prerogative. I'm not so sure that everybody has been quite as altruistic as you.

It is none of my business who phones Alderbank up and what they may or may not have said that may or may not have been offensive. You're taking Alderbanks word for this.
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I think if you re-read my post you will see I truly am not. There are the "if the allegations prove out" and the use of subjunctive mood that I thought were clear.
 
jsfisher said:
I think if you re-read my post you will see I truly am not. There are the "if the allegations prove out" and the use of subjunctive mood that I thought were clear.
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My apologies, it was crystal clear, I just didn't read it thoroughly. I'd be surprised if the allegations ever "prove out". We all know that offence can be subjective and that recollection is a bugger for us humans. These are just two things that make me stay my hand before I start insisting on penance from flaccon.

This was always going to get messy.
 
My immediate response is that I feel a sense of betrayal, if flaccon has indeed turned nasty. But assuming flaccon may be a bit distressed at the moment over having to justify her world view to all of us (her friends are shocked? She must be feeling under siege?), then perhaps she is having mental health problems brought on by stress... her intention may not have been to make an offensive call.

I don't want to speculate, but is it possible that Alderbank's daughter has reacted to flaccon's perhaps incoherent and agitated words and voice as aggression, when really she (flaccon) is just upset herself?

Flaccon, can you take a deep breath and calmly let us know what's going on with you just now?


PS As flaccon said earlier she was going away for the weekend, she may not be reading any of this today. It has also just occurred to me that it could be one of her "friends" making a poorly judged attempt to intervene for her, a misguided attempt at protecting her from us. Does your daughter know the sound of flaccon's voice, Alderbank?

I hope your daughter is not too upset, and has someone with her this afternoon.
 
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Alderbank said:
It is not yet a police matter. But it is a forum matter. I think it is a breach of the MA
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I don't think it's a breach of the MA - however, skepticism has to work all ways. I am not saying I don't believe Alderbank, but we have been quick to demand evidence of flaccon. We wanted both accounts of what happened when the visit occurred before we commented (most of us, I think).
I will wait to hear her side of this story, and will weigh up what is presented. I know this will be 'he says / she says', but that's what happens an awful lot of the time. We should be wary of making a judgement on one person's comments alone.
 
Wait, perhaps it wasn't Flaccon who called.

The question is: Did Alderbank's daughter have to listen carefully several times with her ears on?
 
chillzero said:
I don't think it's a breach of the MA - however, skepticism has to work all ways. I am not saying I don't believe Alderbank, but we have been quick to demand evidence of flaccon. We wanted both accounts of what happened when the visit occurred before we commented (most of us, I think).
I will wait to hear her side of this story, and will weigh up what is presented. I know this will be 'he says / she says', but that's what happens an awful lot of the time. We should be wary of making a judgement on one person's comments alone.
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Speak for yourself, I haven't demanded anything from anybody.
 
Alderbank,
If you're not going to reveal the content and tone of the message, then it's really not fair to throw out an accusation like that, couched in mysterious content and all..... Either state what the message was and let people judge for themselves whether it should be or would be taken as offensive, or remove the discussion to PM or private communication.
I have no reason to disbelieve you. I just don't think this is a very even-handed approach.

Also, did you think that maybe it wasn't flaccon, but the spirits have moved from the computer cables to the phone lines? (That's what I'd claim if I was working her side of the street on this.)
 
Foolmewunz said:
Alderbank,
If you're not going to reveal the content and tone of the message, then it's really not fair to throw out an accusation like that, couched in mysterious content and all..... Either state what the message was and let people judge for themselves whether it should be or would be taken as offensive, or remove the discussion to PM or private communication.
I have no reason to disbelieve you. I just don't think this is a very even-handed approach.

Also, did you think that maybe it wasn't flaccon, but the spirits have moved from the computer cables to the phone lines? (That's what I'd claim if I was working her side of the street on this.)
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He may not know, in detail. And from his point of view the important thing is not the content of the message, but that his daughter is upset.
 
Alderbank said:
It is not yet a police matter. But it is a forum matter. I think it is a breach of the MA
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If your only contact with flaccon had been through the forum, then I would agree. However, once you exchange contact details, and go round to someone's house, I'm afraid I don't think you can claim that it is a forum matter, nor covered by the MA.

ETA: Which is not to say that what you've described is acceptable behaviour, of course.
 
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