Looking for Skeptics

[jond]

St. Alice, such a gift to all. This needs a permanent sticky thing, that post should never be lost--many, many threads could use it as a reference.

 

[chillzero]

Thank you Alice.
I feel a little selfish that you have saved me from wading through all that again ... really appreciate it.

My fiancish and my braincells thank you.

 

[Mojo]

Am I the only one here to think such a feat as St Alice has apparently accomplished would be impossible for a mere human ?

I think she must have been guided by spirits

I would certainly have needed a couple of stiff drinks to get through it.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

I would certainly have needed a couple of stiff drinks to get through it.

I freely admit that I couldn't have completed that mammoth task without a few large G&Ts. Just don't ask me to undertake a similar project with Jabba's monstrous Shroud of Turin threads...

 

[AdMan]

Great work... From now on, for your patience you shall be known as St. Alice.

I also agree with this canonization.

 

[Daylightstar]

Quite an effort indeed, and dated as well so any extra info needed can easily be found.
Well done

 

[SezMe]

flaccon? FLACCON??

*tap tap*

Is this thing working?

 

[trustbutverify]

She's here in spirit.

 

[Daylightstar]

flaccon? FLACCON??

*tap tap*

Is this thing working?

No, too clean a signal

 

[Biscuit]

The irony that this thread is all about trying to make sense of flacon's noise when her claim is that she can make sense of random noise just hit me.

 

[zelda19678]

Smashing job Alice, thank you. What an achievement to condense THAT lot!

I read the whole thing a couple of months ago, but had forgotten some of it due to the sheer amount of it.

Tell me though- did you come across any reference to the Hare Krishna priesty thing that has now entered the picture? Or how to 'calibrate' a computer so we can tune into the 'voices'?

 

[desertgal]

Saint Alice, you purely rock.

 

[Donn]

The irony that this thread is all about trying to make sense of flacon's noise when her claim is that she can make sense of random noise just hit me.

Heh.

 

[Biscuit]

Heh.

Hate the sin and love the sinner.

 

[Mojo]

Wasn't something supposed to be happening on Friday?

17th Feb:

Friday was postponed for a week due to weather conditions.

20th Feb:

Before Friday evening, I'd really like to try and re rail this thread.

20th Feb:

Lack of information regarding strangers I speak with, is purely out of respect. I'll not ever lie. Once Friday is out of the way I'll not feel so restricted. I've never dealt with P.I's or the press before, I'm just relieved they are in contact with each other and are taking it out of my hands.

 

[Pixel42]

flaccon hasn't visited the site for two days. It looks like she's run away again.

I doubt we'd have been able to make much sense of any account she'd given of Friday's events anyway.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

Smashing job Alice, thank you. What an achievement to condense THAT lot!

I read the whole thing a couple of months ago, but had forgotten some of it due to the sheer amount of it.

Tell me though- did you come across any reference to the Hare Krishna priesty thing that has now entered the picture? Or how to 'calibrate' a computer so we can tune into the 'voices'?

There were several references to priests but they were either Roman Catholic or Anglican, not those of the Hare Krishna persuasion. As for 'calibration', your guess is as good as mine - several people asked her for an explanation but she never provided one.

 

[pakeha]

I find the Hare Krishna reference intriguing and hope flaccon will let us know what was meant by it.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

One of the most depressing aspects of this farrago is flaccon's refusal to accept that simple pareidolia explains both the voices and the images she sees in bloodstains:

I did read up regarding the psychological phenomena [pareidolia], and I would definitely agree to this explanation, if it wasn't for the recognition of certain family members within the images. If the EVP sounds exactly like my Father's voice, I have to dismiss the medical aspect side to this.

She will not be told that everyone sees familiar images and hears familiar voices because they are familiar. There are moments when she comes very close to understanding this, such as the occasion when straycat asked “If you can get this information from the voices you hear, would it be possible to ask them for more detail? It doesn't matter if you understand the level of detail, just so long as you can pass that information to someone who does understand it.”

...trouble is, if I don't know what the word means in the first place, I can't make out that particular word.

With anyone genuinely interested in hearing a sceptical explanation for their experiences the penny might have dropped, but flaccon doesn't want to rock the foundations of her elaborate fantasy world. If a noise sounds sufficiently like a familiar word she accepts it as such, even if the spirit didn't use it in life:

One thing I find more strange (believe it or not) my Father never swore in the 42 years I knew him. He swears in the spirit-world. It's just unheard of, him swearing.

It doesn't seem to matter that the spirits, who have somehow been transformed into entities with superhuman intelligence, use poor grammar and spout gibberish about cats causing cancer; if these are the only words flaccon can make out, because they're words with which she's familiar, she'll accept them at face value.

Ironically, the spirits are just as hampered in their dealings with flaccon:

The spirits cannot hear properly. They hear bits and pieces and lipread the rest.

This helps to explain the oddity of some of their replies.

After speaking to Alderbank on the forum and meeting him in person there was another development:

I have your name, distant but clear on a recording dating back to Nov 2012. I am continuing to have your name repeated in many older recordings.

Why didn't she hear the name 'Alderbank' when she first listened to these recordings? Because she didn't know it. This must be screamingly obvious to everyone apart from flaccon.

As for the ad for Rock and Roll Heaven, on 18th November last year scrappy told us:

Tracey also did her homework, she knows its an advert, but it went strange towards the end.

In fact the ad was simply more difficult to hear towards the end, thereby giving flaccon more muffled noise to make into the words that feed her fantasies. A UFO devotee would hear aliens talking about abductions and flying saucers; flaccon hears demons calling her by name and telling her to come out and die.

What the non-believing members of flaccon's family think about all this I simply cannot imagine.

 

[Pixel42]

In fact the ad was simply more difficult to hear towards the end, thereby giving flaccon more muffled noise to make into the words that feed her fantasies.

It's all hard to make out because it's so faint but the second voice at the end is relatively loud, and I think it's this second voice which flaccon believes is not part of the ad at all but a spirit voice talking directly to her. The second guy is deliberately trying to sound a bit demonic, but of course that's just a riff on the name of the store.