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[abaddon]

How do you arrive at her being unreliable? Put it this way Orphia, despite the ridicule and hurt, she'll not let anyone down

Because she makes stuff up.

I've not seen the rings yet , but seeing them wouldn't tell me much anyway.

You have not seen them yourself, but blindly accept whatever claim is made. Sure.

She said one of them was smashed up inside, and the other is cracked. It was after she'd posted her claim "communicating with spirits" The spirits told her to claim special fingers and break a diamond at the contest. Then they told her to check her diamonds, and they are

I could just as easily claim that Flaccon bashed them up simply to bolster her claim. And the evidence in thread would bolster that claim.

wrecked. She went straight back to the GP. She downloaded several clips and played them to him, clips with her Fathers voice mentioning the family, special fingers, and including her own voice. She showed him the diamonds and showed him how clear her Father has gotten on my computer. The voices match. She's not having a good time with this you know, she's terrified.

Bucket of fantasy. You admit yourself that you have done nothing other than spew flacon's claims here. No verification, no checking, nothing. Just flacon sez so. Pardon me for wanting some validation just a tad better then "because I say so".

However she found time to go metal detecting, prepared and had a carpet laid, enjoyed hers, her sons and her grandsons birthdays, painted the living room & hall, harvested the veg, and visited her bro in Windermere. All normal everyday stuff.

So many claims, so little evidence. Again.

Heres a thought, Alderbank knows what Tracey sounds like, also, there was a recording with Tracey's voice on it that was uploaded to box.com. There's a youtube clip with Traceys voice on it, alongside her deceased Fathers voice, clear as day.

Alderbank has gone above and beyond the call of duty at every step, and both you and flaccon have failed at each one.

 

[Vortigern99]

More "special fingers"! Their absence from the general discussion has not gone unnoticed by certain observers. Flaccon's legendary fingers conduct spiritual energy in a way no other living being can boast. Through Tracey's special digits, ghost babble is transferred into electronic devices for later replay and interpretation. (Only Tracey's and occasionally Scrappy's translations of the otherworldly utterances are deemed canonical by the faithful. All other persons' perceptions of these phantom voices is to be immediately discarded, if not ignored.)

This would seem to raise the spectre of possession: Finger possession. Computer possession. Special-spectral-finger-into-computer-software possession. I wonder if... nay, I darent think it, even for an instant.


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Yet I must! What if the spirits, in possession of Flaccon's special fingers, made her smash the diamond rings? What if, I ask you!!???!! The possible answers are too damning even to contemplate longer than it takes to type UNBELIEVABLE in all-caps as a non-sequitur response to a rational explanation of perceived noises in a low-grade audio recording.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I've not seen the rings yet , but seeing them wouldn't tell me much anyway. She said one of them was smashed up inside, and the other is cracked. It was after she'd posted her claim "communicating with spirits" The spirits told her to claim special fingers and break a diamond at the contest. Then they told her to check her diamonds, and they are wrecked.

Are they real diamonds?

How big are the diamonds? If they were the size diamonds that most people can afford, it would be impossible to tell that they were smashed up inside or cracked. It's highly likely she's seeing things, just like she is very good at "hearing" things.

IF they are damaged, it's likely she did something to them while doing all this:

"However she found time to go metal detecting, prepared and had a carpet laid, enjoyed hers, her sons and her grandsons birthdays, painted the living room & hall, harvested the veg, and visited her bro in Windermere. All normal stuff."

She went straight back to the GP. She downloaded several clips and played them to him, clips with her Fathers voice mentioning the family, special fingers, and including her own voice. She showed him the diamonds and showed him how clear her Father has gotten on my computer. The voices match.

What did the doctor say?

She's not having a good time with this you know, she's terrified.

Since she's creating all this drama out of her own imagination, she can stop it any time she likes. I firmly believe she enjoys being scared by this because it makes her feel like a saviour of some sort. It's basic Abnormal Psychology, and happens to a significant percentage of the population at some stage in their life. Nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about. She has my deepest sympathies and best wishes.

 

[trustbutverify]

She's not having a good time with this you know, she's terrified.

How dramatic.

What contest has she entered? What will be "decided"? How will it be decided?

 

[abaddon]

How dramatic.

What contest has she entered? What will be "decided"? How will it be decided?

Sorry, facts will not be forthcoming. Facts will not even make it to fifth or sixth coming.

 

[Pixel42]

She's not having a good time with this you know, she's terrified.

Then she should stop looking for the supernatural in the utterly mundane and get on with her life.

Nobody is forcing her to download random clips from youtube and listen for personal messages in radio ads and people shouting excitedly. Nobody is forcing her to attribute every minor incident in her life to the spirits. As soon as she stops looking for the supernatural she will stop finding it.

 

[abaddon]

We bury our dead face down with their weapon alongside them, so they can watch over us, and keep an eye on our enemies.

True false or fiction? You decide.

This is, of course, a rip of a currently popular game and a currently popular TV thing. How do you tell the difference?

 

[pakeha]

Are they real diamonds?

How big are the diamonds? If they were the size diamonds that most people can afford, it would be impossible to tell that they were smashed up inside or cracked. It's highly likely she's seeing things, just like she is very good at "hearing" things.

IF they are damaged, it's likely she did something to them while doing all this:

"However she found time to go metal detecting, prepared and had a carpet laid, enjoyed hers, her sons and her grandsons birthdays, painted the living room & hall, harvested the veg, and visited her bro in Windermere. All normal stuff." ...

You beat me to it, Orphia Nay.
In any case, I didn't quite understand whether the rings or the diamonds in the rings were damaged.
Or both.

 

[Pixel42]

You beat me to it, Orphia Nay.
In any case, I didn't quite understand whether the rings or the diamonds in the rings were damaged.
Or both.

scrappy has also neglected to tell us what contest flaccon has entered, whether she's told him what to listen for when he listens the second time, how her GP reacted to her last visit ... he always seem to manage to leave out the most interesting and vital information.

 

[chillzero]

scrappy,
Did Tracey give you any permission to post personal information here about what she does in her spare time?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

How do you arrive at her being unreliable?

You should read this thread some time.

Quite aside from the frankly unbelievable tales she tells which are never supported by evidence, flaccon's recollections of events witnessed by another member here were at odds with their own report of what actually happened. Her stories "improve in the telling".

 

[scrappy]

scrappy,
Did Tracey give you any permission to post personal information here about what she does in her spare time?

No I was just pointing out that her life is running well under the circumstances.

 

[chillzero]

No I was just pointing out that her life is running well under the circumstances.

Then I don't think you should do so. What a breach of trust ... not really the behaviour I would expect from my friends.

It's also potentially a breach of forum rules.

I suggest you stop posting on her behalf, and stick to your own thoughts and opinions. Maybe that will lead you to a healthier place with less of a need to hang from her apron strings as well.

 

[scrappy]

You should read this thread some time.

Quite aside from the frankly unbelievable tales she tells which are never supported by evidence, flaccon's recollections of events witnessed by another member here were at odds with their own report of what actually happened. Her stories "improve in the telling".

They are not tales Jack. Its been unfolding in front of her eyes , and every time it steps up , she does the best thing, she reports it to authority.

 

[scrappy]

Then I don't think you should do so. What a breach of trust ... not really the behaviour I would expect from my friends.

It's also potentially a breach of forum rules.

I suggest you stop posting on her behalf, and stick to your own thoughts and opinions. Maybe that will lead you to a healthier place with less of a need to hang from her apron strings as well.

I do no such thing as hang on to anyones apron strings, if I see and I hear I am not afraid to speak the truth. I called her up first thing this morning to ask permission to release hers and her Fathers voice on a youtube clip, and then compare the voices with the voice that comes from my computer. The voices match.

 

[scrappy]

scrappy has also neglected to tell us what contest flaccon has entered, whether she's told him what to listen for when he listens the second time, how her GP reacted to her last visit ... he always seem to manage to leave out the most interesting and vital information.

I've asked her to log in and update but I doubt she will. She didn't have to tell me where to listen, or what to listen out for no. I recognised her voice without a prompt, as did her GP. The voices match.

 

[chillzero]

I do no such thing as hang on to anyones apron strings,

Then participate in this forum on your own authority, and in your own right. Stop living your time here through another member's eyes. Particularly when that member has not give permission for you to divulge personal information, and they appear to have decided not to post here any further themself.

Stop telling us what someone else is doing or has done - it's not for you to say, and we have no corroboration, and additionally, you have not engendered a great deal of trust for us to accept your word, given the progress of this thread to date.

if I see and I hear I am not afraid to speak the truth. I called her up first thing this morning to ask permission to release hers and her Fathers voice on a youtube clip, and then compare the voices with the voice that comes from my computer. The voices match.

This has nothing to do with the posts responded to.

 

[scrappy]

Then she should stop looking for the supernatural in the utterly mundane and get on with her life.

Nobody is forcing her to download random clips from youtube and listen for personal messages in radio ads and people shouting excitedly. Nobody is forcing her to attribute every minor incident in her life to the spirits. As soon as she stops looking for the supernatural she will stop finding it.

She needs as much evidence as possible. The spirits are more than just voices on computer/s.

 

[greybeard]

I've asked her to log in and update but I doubt she will. She didn't have to tell me where to listen, or what to listen out for no. I recognised her voice without a prompt, as did her GP. The voices match.

Can you what tell us what her GP's involvement is in all this Scrappy? Does she make an appointment to see her GP and then play back recordings to him/her. Is the GP willing to give a written statement that supports Flaccon's assertions she is being haunted. Could you give as much information on this as possible as your posts are a bit vague.

 

[trustbutverify]

I've asked her to log in and update but I doubt she will. She didn't have to tell me where to listen, or what to listen out for no. I recognised her voice without a prompt, as did her GP. The voices match.

Rubbish. And, of course, no legitimate test of anything.