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Link between 9/11 'Truth' and Holocaust Deniers?

I think what MaGZ is saying is you gave yourself away as a Jew. Why else would you call Jew haters filthy and depraved? Keep in mind this is coming from someone who thinks The JewsTM shot a guided missile from the Woolworth Building into the WTC on 9/11.

Seriously? That's a whole lotta crazy asinine nonsense right there. Magz, anything to say for yourself? Pretty sure my eyes saw an airplane crash into the WTC South Tower, not a missile. Was I under some hypnotic mind control then? Did I breath in some kind of gas that made me hallucinate the airplane?

So you clarify your position:

I have never made this claim about the missiles.

My claim is Air National Guard from Otis Air Base arrived at 9:03 and attempted to shoot down the second hijacked plane as it was going into WTC2. One of the missiles hit WTC7 on the south side of the building and another apparently flew over into the Hudson River.

There were 911 calls to police where some thought missiles came from the Woolworth Building but these callers were confused or mistaken having seen the missiles from the fighters.

Sorry, there were no missiles shot from any jets over New York that day. Not to mention what many saw and heard with their own eyes, the fact you think they would give permission to shoot down a civilian aircraft before confirmation of what was going on and endangering the lives of 100's of 1000's of other people in Lower Manhattan if it missed is a level of astronomical stupidity.
 
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I have never made this claim about the missiles.

My claim is Air National Guard from Otis Air Base arrived at 9:03 and attempted to shoot down the second hijacked plane as it was going into WTC2. One of the missiles hit WTC7 on the south side of the building and another apparently flew over into the Hudson River.

There were 911 calls to police where some thought missiles came from the Woolworth Building but these callers were confused or mistaken having seen the missiles from the fighters.

Show 'em the pigeon! Show 'em the pigeon!
C'mon, MaGZ... for the new guys who didn't have the yuks privilege of participating in your opening forray, here. Dig up your old video and Show 'Em The Pigeon!

For those of you who only know MaGZ's charming holocaust denying white supremacist side, be assured that MaGZ stands for Missiles At Ground Zero. One of the most memorable entries into the forum that I can recall.
 
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I met a 9/11 truther yesterday, and after he bent my ear for a while on the fall rate of the towers ... I agreed with him up to the point of explosives bringing down the towers, but then had to dismiss that idiocy just from basic premises, as it just doesn't fly from the inception stage.

Then I brought up my conspiracy theory, the holohoax. I began 'The holocaust did not happen.' His response was the perfect 'The earth isn't flat'. But he listened to my spiel, and was quick to see the problems with the official version. I printed out 2 references ....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-19-holocaust-papers_x.htm

and

http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/doors.html

and he quickly grasped their significance. I believe he has begun to doubt the hoax. When he left he asked to take the printouts.

The connection between holohoax deniers and 9/11 truthers is obvious, distrust of the government. Doesn't take .... Jung .. to figure that out.
 
The connection between holohoax deniers and 9/11 truthers is obvious, distrust of the government. Doesn't take .... Jung .. to figure that out.

I never really understood why Holocaust deniers believe this crap - what benefit to governments could possibly be derived from faking the holocaust?
 
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I never really understood why Holocaust deniers believe this crap - what benefit to governments could possibly be derived from faking the holocaust?

Thank you for bringing this person to my attention. I have now put him on IGNORE.

But to answer your question, isn't it obvious? It's because it's Da' Joo Man...Da' Jooz....the Jooz...did I spell that correctly?
 
I never really understood why Holocaust deniers believe this crap - what benefit to governments could possibly be derived from faking the holocaust?

You need to think a bit, but, if that doesn't work, you can find out the answer by reading 'The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During World War ONE' by Don Heddesheimer, available on Amazon.

The Jews, as a result of the holohoax, have created a state, have ethnically cleansed Palestine, have extorted trillions in aid from the west in an ongoing scam, and have used the hoax to excuse endless crimes in the middle east.

The Jews have claimed victimhood status in every society they've occupied. There is nothing new about that, but the magnitude and utter depravity of the holohoax is unique, unprecedented.
 
You need to think a bit, but, if that doesn't work, you can find out the answer by reading 'The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During World War ONE' by Don Heddesheimer, available on Amazon.

The Jews, as a result of the holohoax, have created a state, have ethnically cleansed Palestine, have extorted trillions in aid from the west in an ongoing scam, and have used the hoax to excuse endless crimes in the middle east.

The Jews have claimed victimhood status in every society they've occupied. There is nothing new about that, but the magnitude and utter depravity of the holohoax is unique, unprecedented.
Regrettably, the holocaust facilitated the creation of israel more easily, but even if the holocaust did not happen the Jews would still have gotten a Jewish state eventually by peaceful means. millions were already settling there pre WW2 and they were buying out the land from the natives.

"have ethnically cleansed Palestine".

Gee, if they wanted to wipe out the Palestinians so bad why has it taken so long? I thought the Israeli military was supposed to be superduper powerful.

Oh wait, let me guess, they want to make it "appear" like they are still fighting the palestinian "terrorists" so they will continue to get western funding. Yea, makes sense to me:rolleyes:

Oh, and I think you need to revise your "Trillions in aid" numbers.
 
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You need to think a bit, but, if that doesn't work, you can find out the answer by reading 'The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During World War ONE' by Don Heddesheimer, available on Amazon.

The Jews, as a result of the holohoax, have created a state, have ethnically cleansed Palestine, have extorted trillions in aid from the west in an ongoing scam, and have used the hoax to excuse endless crimes in the middle east.

The Jews have claimed victimhood status in every society they've occupied. There is nothing new about that, but the magnitude and utter depravity of the holohoax is unique, unprecedented.

I think you'll find that every single point asserted above is either flat out wrong or eminently disputable. Let's take them one by one:

The Jews, as a result of the holohoax, have created a state,

This is utterly wrong.

The Jewish community in Palestine was viable well before WWII. The conflicts in Mandate Palestine between Arabs and Jews escalated well before 1939, and continued to bubble under during the war, at a time when Jewish immigration to Palestine was at a near-standstill. Partition had already been recommended before the war, before the Holocaust. The British Mandate holders essentially ignored every piece of news coming out of Europe during and immediately after the war; nothing, not even Nuremberg, made the British more likely to support statehood. So they washed their hands of the whole thing, at which point war broke out in 1948.

have ethnically cleansed Palestine,

this also wasn't the result of the Holocaust, but came about because the Arabs declared war on Israel in 1948. Since the nakbah created the basis for the ongoing Middle Eastern conflict due to Palestinian refugees being driven into Lebanon, Jordan, the Gaza strip, etc (cf 1967, 1973, 1982, 2nd intifada in the 2000s), it's also something which has hardly been ignored.

have extorted trillions in aid from the west in an ongoing scam,

utter rubbish. 'trillions' is a colossal exaggeration. Israel received reparations from West Germany in the 1950s as a one-off. Other compensation payments go to individuals, and are given out irrespective of the ethnic origins of the victim.

US aid to Israel started in the midst of the Cold War with the Soviet Union aiding the Arab states and selling large quantities of arms. It's difficult to see where continuing US support for Israel rests on anything directly to do with the Holocaust, rather than the fact that there are an awful lot of fundamentalist Christians in the US, who like the idea of accelerating the apocalypse by bringing about "Biblical prophecies".

and have used the hoax to excuse endless crimes in the middle east.

this is also utter rubbish. There is widespread criticism of Israel worldwide, especially in Europe, where the EU provides a lot of the funding for the Palestinian Authority. In Europe, the Holocaust is in one box marked 'WWII' and the Middle East conflict is in another box marked 'current affairs'. Israel might like to play on the Holocaust to get sympathy but it's fairly clear that this hasn't worked very well, dating right back to the 1980s, when the 1982 invasion of Lebanon and 1987 intifada was condemned, and through to the 2000s when the second intifada and responses to it provoked considerable condemnation. Of course, you have the peace process in the 1990s in between. That rather buggers up the correlation you want to claim.

The Jews have claimed victimhood status in every society they've occupied.

absolute, utter drivel. Until the 19th Century Jews were at best a separate estate (in Christian countries) or a dhimmi people (in the Ottoman empire), not "victims". They had no say in claiming anything by virtue of their status in pre-modern society. From 1800 onwards Jews strove to claim equal rights and to achieve emancipation, civic equality, and not to be discriminated against on the basis of religion, something which was already overcome in the United States since America was founded on freedom of religion, a very simple concept. In Britain, Catholics were denied civic equality until the first half of the 19th Century.


Oh, and before you reply with your usual gibberish, pointing out the above facts does not make me a 'Zionist', simply someone committed to factual accuracy who dislikes it when woo-woos lie about things.

you can find out the answer by reading 'The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During World War ONE' by Don Heddesheimer, available on Amazon.

actually it's available free here:
http://holocausthandbooks.com/6/

if anyone bothers to read this piece of tripe, they will realise how shoddy Heddesheimer's research is, how little he knows about the situation of Jews in Eastern Europe after WWI and how incapable he is of parsing easily understood sentences in the English language. In other words, just another woo-woo nutter, like all the other woo-woo nutters we laugh at here.

I honestly have to wonder whether more than 1 in 100,000 people who might encounter Holocaust denier arguments falls for it. They've been around long enough, the books are indeed available on amazon or for free download, and yet around here, the number of deniers remains firmly stuck at six, despite all the efforts to tout dreck like Heddesheimer, Butz and even more appalling nonsense by the likes of Saggy.
 
My previous post just scratched the surface of the destructiveness of the holohoax.

The deep consequence of the hoax is that the lesson humanity should have learned from WW II, that technology threatens the existence of the human race, was completely ignored while the Zionists constructed their Nazi mirage of evil.

That lesson ignored, the US and Russia went on to develop nuclear arsenals that have place civilization itself in danger of annihilation. While this truly monstrous evil was taking place, the media/academia/governments have been congratulating themselves for prevailing over evil itself personified by the Nazis. This complete idiocy might be the end of the human race.

Then there is Israel's precarious state in a sea of Arabs. At any time Israel could be attacked by nuclear weapons and the result could very well be a nuclear world war.

Then there are the wars the US has already fought because of Zionist control of US foreign policy (see Walt and Mearsheimer).

The only nation on earth with a legitimate fear of terrorists is Israel, but they have managed to transer that fear, or the pretense of fear, to the US, where the US Constitution and the basic principles on which the US was founded are being tossed aside like scraps of paper. The current example is the latest defense spending bill which authorizes the US military to arrest and indefinitley detain ANYONE on suspicion of being a 'terrorist'.

The Zionists have also managed to make the US a nation that incessantly proclaims that it is a victim .... so while the US has in the last 20 years killed more than a million Arabs as a result of wars and sanctions, it portrays itself as a victim because the Arabs managed to kill 3000 US citizens.

The holohoax is now, via the dire prospects for the state of Israel and the true terror in Israel and the phony terror in the US, affecting the lives of every American. And this is just the beginning.
 
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My previous post just scratched the surface of the destructiveness of the holohoax.

Frankly, it's just scratched the surface of the idiocy, irrationality, and irrelevance of Holocaust deniers.
 
The deep consequence of the hoax is that the lesson humanity should have learned from WW II, that technology threatens the existence of the human race, was completely ignored while the Zionists constructed their Nazi mirage of evil.

Yes because the Nazis didn't invade and occupy almost the entirety of Europe. And they were little angels while not invading an occupying those countries.
:rolleyes:

The only nation on earth with a legitimate fear of terrorists is Israel, but they have managed to transer that fear, or the pretense of fear, to the US, where the US Constitution and the basic principles on which the US was founded are being tossed aside like scraps of paper.

Yes because there was no such thing as "terrorism" before 9/11 and there has never been any sort of terrorism not connected to Islam...
:rolleyes:
 
Without resorting to any name calling I do think think there is a link, not a political link but a mindset. I am sure some people are very drawn to conspiracies in general and will 'jump on the bandwagon' of any conspiracy (poor wording I know).

It is like the intelligent designers who desperately want any scientific theory proved incorrect so they can then say that ID is a theory, look at how science changes it's mind.

I do not think it is a cognitive link too far for CTs to want just one conspiracy to be true so they can then compare it to another theory and use it as 'evidence'.

The more hats in the ring so to speak gives them more of a chance to be right. That is to say I am sure there are many single issue CTers as well.
 
Without resorting to any name calling I do think think there is a link, not a political link but a mindset. I am sure some people are very drawn to conspiracies in general and will 'jump on the bandwagon' of any conspiracy (poor wording I know).

It is like the intelligent designers who desperately want any scientific theory proved incorrect so they can then say that ID is a theory, look at how science changes it's mind.

I do not think it is a cognitive link too far for CTs to want just one conspiracy to be true so they can then compare it to another theory and use it as 'evidence'.

The more hats in the ring so to speak gives them more of a chance to be right. That is to say I am sure there are many single issue CTers as well.

This is an interesting idea. If you have no proper sense of evidence, the very suggestion there's a 9/11 conspiracy or that FEMA camps are being set up to exterminate Americans is evidence for a NWO global government. Although, I don't see many Truthers who are also UFO conspiracy theorists. Outside of the friends of David Icke, and particularly in the USA, there doesn't seem to be much interest among 9/11 Truthers for an Area 51 Truth. There are some things that are too ridiculous for some CTers.
 
This is an interesting idea. If you have no proper sense of evidence, the very suggestion there's a 9/11 conspiracy or that FEMA camps are being set up to exterminate Americans is evidence for a NWO global government. Although, I don't see many Truthers who are also UFO conspiracy theorists. Outside of the friends of David Icke, and particularly in the USA, there doesn't seem to be much interest among 9/11 Truthers for an Area 51 Truth. There are some things that are too ridiculous for some CTers.

Maybe 2 subsets... Anti government types and general woowooers

Would it be fair to suggest that Holocaust deniers/911 truthers etc may also believe in NWO/Protocsols of Zion/gun control/NAto conspiracy etc, while the UFOers think that the government/oil companies supressing 10000 mile carbs etc would fit into the 2 groups.

Even though I originally said it wasn't political, maybe I wasn't precise enough. While they may not be left or right or centrist they have an anti government political outlook and that is the political philosophy that ties them together, not the 'wing'
 
Maybe 2 subsets... Anti government types and general woowooers

Would it be fair to suggest that Holocaust deniers/911 truthers etc may also believe in NWO/Protocsols of Zion/gun control/NAto conspiracy etc, while the UFOers think that the government/oil companies supressing 10000 mile carbs etc would fit into the 2 groups.

Even though I originally said it wasn't political, maybe I wasn't precise enough. While they may not be left or right or centrist they have an anti government political outlook and that is the political philosophy that ties them together, not the 'wing'

Maybe there's some accuracy to this. You don't see much 'secret unlimited energy of Nikola Tesla among 9/11 Truthers or friends of the NWO. They don't talk alot about secret supressed technology that can help people. That's an interesting point. They only talk about the secret supressed technology that destroys people (nanothermite, dustifying ray guns, etc.). That's worth thinking about.

I have written extensively elsewhere about links between 9/11 Truth and the right-wing organizations that I see as dominating their activities. You can also read the pirate copy of a paper I wrote for Skeptic Magazine linked to my signature.
 
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Actually, are the Christian Identity Truthers / holocaust deniers actually anti-semitic, since they believe it is they that are the true lost tribe of Israel and most of the Israeli Jews are not descendants of the Israeli tribes?

Good question. I suppose if your POV is "we" (Aryans) are the true Jews and not "them" (Semites) it's a form of antisemitism. It's also really kind of penis envy.

RE: CT overlap. I see a lot of truthers who are also chemtrail and fluoride nuts. I suspect there's a general thread of anti-government paranoia at work.
 

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