Liberal Fallacies

[Upchurch]

E=mc² is liberal claptrap.

Best comment in the "talk" section:

This is impressive AugustO! I think I understand Mr. [Andy] Schlafly's opposition to E=mc2 now. The theory states that mass and energy are equivalent. But looking at [Andy Schlafly]'s hand waiving exercise, that is simply not the case. For he clearly has expended a great deal of energy to produce very little substance.

 

[Dessi]

Kinda like when they gave blacks the special right to marry whites.

But they already have equal rights - the right to marry other blacks! Everyone knows that how fundamental rights work.

 

[spin0]

I started to look at the code to see how you did that, then decided that some knowledge is too terrible to handle.

Too late. He comes.

 

[Biscuit]

But they already have equal rights - the right to marry other blacks! Everyone knows that how fundamental rights work.

If you let blacks marry whites it diminishes a white person right to marry white people!

 

[CORed]

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If we have a woman president, there won't be any wars

I don't know who's claiming that, but as we've never had a woman president, it is merely speculation. It is neither true nor false.

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I have vague memories of some feminists promulgating this bit of silliness circa 1970.

Although the USA has never had a female president, there have been female leaders in enough other countries, and enough of them have engaged in wars, that one would to be as detached from reality as a typical Republican to believe it now.

 

[Piscivore]

If you let blacks marry whites it diminishes a white person right to marry white people!

OMG I get it now. All these allegedly anti-gay politicians are so staunchly opposed to gay marriage because they don't want homosexual men forming long-lasting relationships, let alone families with children, because they think homosexual fidelity and commitment will lessen their chances for a casual, illicit hookup in the airport bathroom.

 

[jj]

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I have vague memories of some feminists promulgating this bit of silliness circa 1970.

Although the USA has never had a female president, there have been female leaders in enough other countries, and enough of them have engaged in wars, that one would to be as detached from reality as a typical Republican to believe it now.

3 words: Catherine the Great

 

[paulhutch]

Bill is correct. This is a "fallacy", by which I assume he means "untrue". The Iraq War started 8 years, 8 months, and 3 weeks ago. (Thank you for the trivia, Wikipedia)

According to that Wikipedia article, the Iraq War started on March 20th 2003, 10 years and 2 days ago. The war lasted for 8 years, 8 months, and 3 weeks ending on December 18th 2011.

Now if Bill's apparent spelling/language error was intentional, then he would be correct because there has never been an Iraqi War. There was an Anglo–Iraqi War which lasted for 29 days in May 1941.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Well, since this is now in it's proper board:

Bill is correct. This is a "fallacy", by which I assume he means "untrue". The Iraq War started 8 years, 8 months, and 3 weeks ago.

Really? When were we at peace with Iraq from the "first gulf war" to the "second". When we were patrolling the no-fly zones we were in a state of war if our jets were being shot at and our jets were being shot at almost daily.

According to that Wikipedia article.....

'Nuf said.

This is the kind of trash that people just accept because someone else says so. We were still at war -- as in, not at peace -- with Iraq before 9-11. We only had them contained. George H.W. Bush expressed a desire for the Iraqi people to take out Saddam on their own and there was some efforts to make that happen. We were not at peace.

 

[Bill Thompson]

His father was natively African. His mother was an American. He's probably more rightly called "African American" than most. I fail to see the "fallacy" here.

Africa is not a country. There are Italian Americans, Greek Americans, German Americans. Noone defines themselves from an entire continent. Would you call Charlese Theron an African American? She is from Africa, she calls America her home. I guess she is African American. Hell, she is even MORE African American than Obama. I noticed you do not read much before responding. If you had, you would see that I explain my point further in the the text. But don't let logic stop you from living in your own world.

So your first two comments were trash. Did it get any better? I saw something like "wut? Who is claiming that?" about something I have heard from other Liberals. What do you expect? Want names?

 

[Bill Thompson]

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Moderated content removed.

Damn! Let's see if the unbiased administrators and moderators do not ban you for life.

So much for kind face of Liberalism.

"Liberal Fallacies" have nothing to do with politics.

 

[RandFan]

1. The Iraqi War started about 10 years ago
2. Obama is "African American"
3. If we have a woman president, there won't be any wars
4. If we are kind or tolerant to our enemies, they will be kind and tolerant to us
5. 9-11 happened on "Bush's Watch" and that somehow means something
6. Obama told the truth in Cairo about the Golden Age of Islam and that helped the USA somehow
7. MSNBC repots the news more than gives opinions
8. The invasion of Iraq was done to find Weapons of Mass Destruction
9. The USA gassed the Kurds and the Irainians.
10. Less people died because of Bill Clinton's war decisions and actions or inactions than George W. Bush's
11. Since Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, the invasion of Iraq was wrong

This is the kind of trash that people just accept because someone else says so.

You mean well I'm sure.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Liberals care more about animals than people.Liberals recruit your children into the homosexual lifestyle.
Liberals have a raging hard-on for sharia law.
Liberals hate white America.
Liberals hate white Jesus!

Thanks for reminding me that Libeals attack Neocons by portraying what they imagine is the most radical and crazy of their group that probably does not exist.


Have you ever met someone who really thinks Liberals care more about animals than people?


Have you ever met someone who really thinks Liberals recruit your children into the homosexual lifestyle?


What is white America? I only heard Liberals classify people based on the color of their skin. That is a game Liberals play. Liberals talk the talk of racial tolerance but they do not walk the walk. My "interracial marriage" would shock you, I think.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Liberals care more about animals than people.
Liberals recruit your children into the homosexual lifestyle.
Liberals have a raging hard-on for sharia law.
Liberals hate white America.
Liberals hate white Jesus!
Liberal homonazi facists are murdering everyone's babies.
Liberals are always gushing squealing whining sanctimonious voices how illegal brown people deserve free hair gel and heroin.

Dessi, the things you write, probably no one really believes. That is the difference between what you wrote and what I wrote. People have actually defended their believes in some of the items in my list and have insisted that they are true.

 

[Quinn]

I only heard Liberals classify people based on the color of their skin.

Either that was an accidental misstatement that you just didn't think through very well, or it was a lie, or you have lived a very, very sheltered life.

 

[lomiller]

Since Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, the invasion of Iraq was wrong

I agree with you that this one is not true. If it had said, "Since Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, the timing of the invasion of Iraq was wrong", then it would be true.

Generally speaking in international law, invading another country without explicit UN approval is illegal unless that country has attacked you first. If Saddam had been involved in 9-11 I'd say it qualifies as a legitimate reason to attack Iraq.

This principle extends even to overthrowing a dictator because no individual country gets to say who is a dictator and who isn't.

In practical terms this doesn't limit any of the permanent members of the US security counsel because they get a veto over any declaration an invasion is illegal.


An actively in progress genocide would be not only a valid reason but would demand action. this is why many countries, including the US, were reluctant to acknowledge Rwanda as a genocide until after the fact. Doing so would have required them to send troops to help stop the genocide. If the US had attacked while Saddam was actively slaughtering Kurds it would have met this test IMO

 

[Bill Thompson]

Either that was an accidental misstatement that you just didn't think through very well, or it was a lie, or you have lived a very, very sheltered life.

At the DNC, they were selling buttons that said "once you vote black, you never go back" and they seemed to think it was cute, and no one objected to it.

I know a half dozen couples who are very conservative and would be thought of as "interracial".

My liberal cousins, once they have a glass of wine and have let their guard down will say a joke that might be thought of as racially incensitive.

At my aunt's 80th birthdday party, distant liberal cousins seemed proud of the fact that they voted for Obama just because he has black skin and did not think for a moment that that was racist. But it is.

Actually, it is not a religious thing either. I have a very die-hard athiest friend who I spoke with for hours last night on the phone. He is very right-wing. Like me, he thinks Liberalism is a lot like just another faith.

 

[jj]

Dessi, the things you write, probably no one really believes. That is the difference between what you wrote and what I wrote. People have actually defended their believes in some of the items in my list and have insisted that they are true.

Your list is dishonest and contains many insulting, defamatory stereotypes.

Why did you tell these lies?

 

[Bill Thompson]

Generally speaking in international law, invading another country without explicit UN approval is....

I followed the events leading up to the invasion very closely. After the invasion, it became obvious, that no one I knew followed the events at all.

As I remember, after 9-11, the mindset of the Americans changed. But the mindset of Saddam and his supporters did not. But that is not immediately why we invaded. There were countless UN violations that were passed that were designed to inspect and verify Saddams Iraq. Saddam played cat-and-mouse with the inspectors. Letting them in and then shortly kicking him out.

Powel had a point when he said that if some sort of action was not done, the UN would be a pointless body. Their resolutions would not mean anything if Saddam constantly violated them and nothing was done.

And there was a long list of violations.

You can say that it was illegal because the UN did not approve of the invasion in the end. But prior to that, they did pass virtually countless resolutions that Saddam violated. So one can also look at it another way and say that it was good for the UN that Bush gathered "countries of the willing" who joined the US in the invasion.

Let me ask you this. There were many resolutions that demanded that Saddam allow for inspectors that Saddam violated. Now, after the US invaded, did the UN pass any resolutions saying that the US and other countries were wrong to do the invasion?

 

[Bill Thompson]

Your list is dishonest and contains many insulting, defamatory stereotypes.

Why did you tell these lies?

Pick one you want to discuss and let's do so. That is, if you are serious.