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Let's make America smart again

Skeptic Ginger said:
Because it's off topic.
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It's completely on topic. You just don't like it because it questions the premise of the thread, but the premise is very relevant.

There's another thread that asked if Trump would end up benefiting Democrats. If this thread is any indication (which it may well not be), then the answer is no. This thread starts with the unquestioned assumption that people voted for Trump because they're stupid, and not just stupid but stupider than before. No other causes were considered. It can't be because of any flaw in liberalism's agenda, it can't be because of any shortcomings in the performance of the Democrats under Obama, it can't be because of any weakness in their chosen candidate, it can't even be because of any tactical mistakes in the campaign. No, it can only be because Trump voters were stupid.

That lack of any introspection will keep the Democrats in the wings for the next 8 years, maybe more.
 
I know what the thread is about and the question is off topic.

Here's the OP:
Let's make America smart again
So says Neil deGrasse Tyson on Stephen Colbert tonight, and I couldn't agree more. Isn't that what the JREF is/was all about?
We have a hell of a lot more work to do.
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I didn't move it here to the politics forum. I haven't made any partisan posts. Why should I let disgruntled people drag politics into it and sidetrack the thread?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I know what the thread is about and the question is off topic.

Here's the OP:
I didn't move it here to the politics forum. I haven't made any partisan posts. Why should I let disgruntled people drag politics into it and sidetrack the thread?
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You haven't made any partisan posts?

Skeptic Ginger said:
Sorry Marteen, but I do think people who supported Trump, for whatever reason, made an ignorant choice.

Either they were conned by the guy, or were naive enough to think putting an incompetent narcissist in charge of the country because they wanted to shake things up, would be peachy.

I am not an elite and this is a skeptic's forum, not a 'can't we all get along' forum. When half the voting public in this country doesn't know how to think critically about their vote for POTUS, there is a serious problem with critical thinking.
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Your lack of introspection is even worse than I thought, and is now causing amnesia. But perhaps I should just follow Napoleon's advice and not interrupt.
 
Ziggurat said:
You haven't made any partisan posts?

Your lack of introspection is even worse than I thought, and is now causing amnesia. But perhaps I should just follow Napoleon's advice and not interrupt.
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If you want to discuss the fake news that Trump supporters bought, the fact he claimed to hold multiple positions that were incompatible with each other that people chose what to believe from, that would be on topic.

If you want to keep perpetrating lies about Clinton that have long been discredited, that would not be on topic.

Regardless, the issue is not, had Clinton won, would ... blah blah blah.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you want to discuss the fake news that Trump supporters bought, the fact he claimed to hold multiple positions that were incompatible with each other that people chose what to believe from, that would be on topic.
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You can't even keep up the pretense that you're being non-partisan, but you won't admit it was a lie either. You're a master at cognitive dissonance, I'll give you that.

You do you, SG. You do you.
 
Ziggurat said:
You can't even keep up the pretense that you're being non-partisan, but you won't admit it was a lie either. You're a master at cognitive dissonance, I'll give you that.

You do you, SG. You do you.
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I'm addressing specific facts: Fake news supporting Trump was spread by teens in Macedonia making money off the spam. Trump's positions often contradicted his past statements

You and Skeptical Greg are addressing opinions: would I feel differently if Clinton won.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm addressing specific facts: Fake news supporting Trump was spread by teens in Macedonia making money off the spam. Trump's positions often contradicted his past statements

You and Skeptical Greg are addressing opinions: would I feel differently if Clinton won.
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You moved the goalpost. Previously you claimed the relevant distinction was partisan versus nonpartisan, not fact versus opinion. But even there you are wrong: he asked if people would be stupid if Hillary won. If whether or not people are stupid is just a matter of opinion, then the OP is about opinion, so that cannot make it off topic.

You really aren't good at this.
 
Ziggurat said:
You haven't made any partisan posts?

Skeptic Ginger said:
Sorry Marteen, but I do think people who supported Trump, for whatever reason, made an ignorant choice.

Either they were conned by the guy, or were naive enough to think putting an incompetent narcissist in charge of the country because they wanted to shake things up, would be peachy.

I am not an elite and this is a skeptic's forum, not a 'can't we all get along' forum. When half the voting public in this country doesn't know how to think critically about their vote for POTUS, there is a serious problem with critical thinking.
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Your lack of introspection is even worse than I thought, and is now causing amnesia. But perhaps I should just follow Napoleon's advice and not interrupt.
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To be fair, she didn't say which half, it could be either - these halves are barely distinguishable in terms of stupidity. As far as I can see, it's a bit like an 80-IQ person pointing and whining about how the 79-IQ person is stupid.
 
Sunmaster, the issue, I think, is not whether either left or right ideologies are smart or dumb, but whether a vote for Trump, given the facts, was ill-informed or not, and whether a better basis for education and understanding would have corrected this situation.
 
Argumemnon said:
Sunmaster, the issue, I think, is not whether either left or right ideologies are smart or dumb, but whether a vote for Trump, given the facts, was ill-informed or not, and whether a better basis for education and understanding would have corrected this situation.
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In my opinion, Trump was the far better choice. I feel great relief now that I know that much of Obama's work (such as it is) will be reversed. Trump, for all of his faults as a human being, will do many good things, but his election itself represents a much-needed smack in the head to the smug, liberal elite which I am thoroughly enjoying. As Peggy Noonan put it so well, Americans have been patronized by their inferiors. Yes, I really do think that, and I have plenty of reason to believe it. The ISF, and this thread in particular, is kind of a microcosm of the prevailing situation.
 
sunmaster14 said:
In my opinion, Trump was the far better choice.
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In my opinion Hillary was a far better choice than we were led to believe. She was investigated for Benghazi and her emails (twice) and her foundation and so far ZILCH. I mean, even if you don't like her (like me) you have to at some point go with the evidence and admit that she's nowhere as crooked (or dishonest) as people are claiming. Claims of her being a warmonger are similarily based on insinuation and unsupported claims.

Trump, on the other hand, has a history of demonstrable lying and borderline fraud, and his policies make no social or economic sense, when he has a policy at all and doesn't reverse it in the same sentence.

I fail to see how he could possibly be the better choice, especially "by far".

I feel great relief now that I know that much of Obama's work (such as it is) will be reversed.
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Especially those millions of people who are about to lose their health insurance. Damn moochers.

Trump, for all of his faults as a human being, will do many good things, but his election itself represents a much-needed smack in the head to the smug, liberal elite which I am thoroughly enjoying.
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Do you really believe that shaking up the system is a good reason to put it at risk like this? How dangerous, insane or incompetent must a candidate be to disqualify him or her in this scenario?

As Peggy Noonan put it so well, Americans have been patronized by their inferiors.
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Isn't that, in and of itself, patronising? The right have been demonising scientists, economists, intellectuals and liberals for decades, and it now has the gall to say that they were being ridiculed?
 
sunmaster14 said:
In my opinion, Trump was the far better choice. I feel great relief now that I know that much of Obama's work (such as it is) will be reversed. Trump, for all of his faults as a human being, will do many good things, but his election itself represents a much-needed smack in the head to the smug, liberal elite which I am thoroughly enjoying. As Peggy Noonan put it so well, Americans have been patronized by their inferiors. Yes, I really do think that, and I have plenty of reason to believe it. The ISF, and this thread in particular, is kind of a microcosm of the prevailing situation.
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What amazes me about threads like this is is the utter blinders that Hillary's supporters had regarding their candidate, and now they are lost and are calling the other side "stupid" "uneducated" and the like.

They set the bar so low for their candidate (Vote Hillary, Not Convicted Yet!) that they are amazed that anyone could be dumb enough not to vote for her despite the fact that she was a bad candidate that ran a very bad campaign.
 
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Moved a bunch of off-topic posts to AAH. Please keep it on topic. The topic is not the other posters. Keep it civil
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
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