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Don't you have anything better to do, than bump 4 year old threads? Seriously, dude. Were you in jail or some ******
 
beachnut said:
You are saying there was no Flight 11?
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The BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION STATISTICS is saying that. I mean, they WERE saying it, for years after 9/11, until they were NOTICED saying it. After that screen of data was discovered and copied widely, BTS changed their url, without leaving a forwarding address, and finally did add an AA Flight 11 to Logan Airport's 9/11 schedule. To this day, though, the listing still does not say what time the alleged flight took off. (Or is "00:00" supposed to mean midnight?)

The object in the famous video of that alleged flight is not shaped like any kind of airplane:
tinyurl com/flashframe
tinyurl com/flashframefoursome

Ray
 
Horatius said:
Don't you have anything better to do, than bump 4 year old threads? Seriously, dude. Were you in jail or some ******
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You needn't concern yourself with my use of my time, only your use of yours. Seriously dude, I'm easy to ignore, just avert your delicate eyes from this one thread, it's the only one I'm in.

Were YOU in jail? Hey that was fun, I proved I can be as irrelevant as you if I try.

Ray
 
Ray Ubinger said:
Readers may decide for themselves whether your nydailynews source or my federal Bureau of Transportation Statistics database source has more authority regarding the valid flight numbers existing that morning.

Ray
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The medical examiner's office today said it has identified remains of Karen Ann Martin, from Danvers, Mass., a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11; Douglas Joel Stone, 54, of Dover, N.H., a passenger on the same flight; and a male victim whose family asked that his identity not be disclosed.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110200829.html

Same story backed up by the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/nyregion/02cnd-dna.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
 
Orphia Nay said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110200829.html

Same story backed up by the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/nyregion/02cnd-dna.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
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I think we're talking past each other. I'm sorry I'm slow to notice you are focusing on identities of persons. I was not talking about persons' identities. I was only talking about the identities of AIRPLANE FLIGHTS.

There was no AIRPLANE FLIGHT AA 11 scheduled that day, according to the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics for years afterward.

The PERSONS who you say were ON an AA 11 flight that day may very well have been real folks. They just couldn't have been on a flight that didn't exist.

BTS has the job of actually and officially tracking flight numbers and times data. Your sources pretty much just presumed the flight numbers to be valid, per the well established "basics" of the official story by that time (DNA analysis long after after the tragedy). On the actual day, the 2nd Hit was originally reported FROM AN AMERICAN AIRLINES STATEMENT as being AA 77. That got changed to UA 175. The Shanksville incident was originally reported as being UA Flight 175. That got changed to UA 93.

AA 77 was ALSO not a scheduled flight that day, according to the BTS for years afterward.

The two UA numbers WERE, BUT, their alleged TAIL NUMBERS were still "active" in the BTS database for years afterward.

Ray
 
Ray Ubinger said:
I was asked for a source and I linked to a source. It's a screenshot from 2003 of all the AA flights scheduled at Logan on 9/11.

Ray Ubinger
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You were asked for a link 3 YEARS AGO. Why bump this old crap now?
 
Ray Ubinger said:
>> No Flight 11 was on the Logan Airport schedule that day

> Source?

tinyurl com/btsaa11
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You can post URLs. Why don't you? No need to mask them like this.
You can also use the QUOTE Button.

If there was no flight 11, how come there is a passenger list? How come human remains from the rubble were identified as people on that passenger list? Can you come up with a minimum short list of people who must absolutely absolutely have known on 9/11 that there was no flight 11? For starters, many people at American Airlines, their contractors, Logan Airport, FAA would know. Certainly a number of relatives and coworkers. Businesspeople were on the plane whose flights had been booked by assistants, secretaries and travel agents. Would not some of them have checked the bookings very shortly after it became known which flights had been crashed? What did crash into the North Tower then?

After 9 years, do YOU have a working hypothesis of what "really" happened? If so, I invite you to tell us in this thread:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185004
(no evidence requested there; in fact, giving evidence is strongly discouraged there; I just want to learn what stories you guys would like to tell!)
 
Ray Ubinger said:
I think we're talking past each other. I'm sorry I'm slow to notice you are focusing on identities of persons. I was not talking about persons' identities. I was only talking about the identities of AIRPLANE FLIGHTS.

There was no AIRPLANE FLIGHT AA 11 scheduled that day, according to the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics for years afterward.

The PERSONS who you say were ON an AA 11 flight that day may very well have been real folks. They just couldn't have been on a flight that didn't exist.

BTS has the job of actually and officially tracking flight numbers and times data. Your sources pretty much just presumed the flight numbers to be valid, per the well established "basics" of the official story by that time (DNA analysis long after after the tragedy). On the actual day, the 2nd Hit was originally reported FROM AN AMERICAN AIRLINES STATEMENT as being AA 77. That got changed to UA 175. The Shanksville incident was originally reported as being UA Flight 175. That got changed to UA 93.

AA 77 was ALSO not a scheduled flight that day, according to the BTS for years afterward.

The two UA numbers WERE, BUT, their alleged TAIL NUMBERS were still "active" in the BTS database for years afterward.

Ray
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These are all lies. Viewing backwards in the thread, it appears that you already know that.
 
Ray Ubinger said:
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AA 77 was ALSO not a scheduled flight that day, according to the BTS for years afterward.

The two UA numbers WERE, BUT, their alleged TAIL NUMBERS were still "active" in the BTS database for years afterward.

Ray
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Did you tell the FBI? NO? Wow, you are holding evidence in a murder investigation. Going to jail!
 
Ray Ubinger said:
The BUREAU OF TRANSPORTATION STATISTICS is saying that. I mean, they WERE saying it, for years after 9/11, until they were NOTICED saying it. After that screen of data was discovered and copied widely, BTS changed their url, without leaving a forwarding address, and finally did add an AA Flight 11 to Logan Airport's 9/11 schedule. To this day, though, the listing still does not say what time the alleged flight took off. (Or is "00:00" supposed to mean midnight?)

The object in the famous video of that alleged flight is not shaped like any kind of airplane:
tinyurl com/flashframe
tinyurl com/flashframefoursome

Ray
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Have you looked at the screenshot. over 60% of the flights are listed as 00:00. ANd notice those same planes have "unknown" as their tail numbers....OMG 60% plus off all American Airline Flights never existed...

dum dum dum

TAM:boggled:
 
I was actually going through the screenshot, when I sat back for a second, and tried to fathom all the people who he is implicating was in on the CT, if there was no flight 11...mind boggling, yet noone but him and handful of others no the real truth.

Well we MUST go to the FBI with this earth shattering evidence....and GO!

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
over 60% of the flights are listed as 00:00.
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What % of them took years to appear on the schedule at all? What % of those when their omissions were discovered were then followed by the BTS changing their url w/o leaving a forwarding address?

I call the reaction here the No Way/So What. First I'm derided as needing to be jailed for making stuff up - No Way could AA 11 and 77 not be on that day's officially federally logged flight schedule. Then when I prove it, well So What, that's no big deal.

Ray
 
Oystein said:
If there was no flight 11, how come there is a passenger list?
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Someone made it up. Is that more plausible or less plausible than for two real flights at different airports on the same date to be missing from the federally maintained schedule log for years and then for that bureau to change its url without leaving a forwarding address after the omissions were exposed by an Australian blues guitarist?

I don't have to prove everything that did happen in order to know some things that didn't happen.

What did crash into the North Tower then?
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This thing, which is not shaped like any kind of an airplane in any of the frames:

http://tinyurl.com/flashframe
http://tinyurl.com/flashframefoursome


Ray
 
beachnut said:
Did you tell the FBI? NO? Wow, you are holding evidence in a murder investigation. Going to jail!
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I'm supposed to report a crime committed by the government to the government, or else the government should jail me? Funny. But now that you have been told, you are not also obligated to report the info? Funnier still.


Ray
 
You could always contact Massport. Both 11 and 175 were regular flights that flew every weekday. I actually flew them from time to time.
 
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