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Leslie Raphael's (Public) Conveniences

Finally there are the possibility that Gedeon were there [allegedly at the Duane St. firehouse at 8:46, when I, Ray Ubinger, contend Gedeon was really filming 1st-Hit pedestrian reaction at Church-Murray] to coordinate schedules like when someone had the time to give an interview, when he, or his brother, were to ride with the ladders etc.
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Ray Ubinger said:
So maybe he was so busy with that stuff that he just didn't notice the zillion-alarm call at 8:46, and all the firemen left before he realized anything major was going on, and that's why he had to walk instead of ride with them? Maybe he was on prescription-strength sedatives?
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Orphia Nay said:
Exactly where/what/when does he say he walked to the WTC just after 8:46am?
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That is answered in Les Raphael's essay, under item #10a at
http://www.spingola.com/JULES NAUDET App 4.htm


Ray Ubinger
 
LashL said:
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I'm not collecting old threads for resurrection. This is the only thread I've been on at jref. I'm just defending my position as best I can, being one against many disagreers coming from many angles. I took a break here, posted to other forums and did other things in my life for awhile, and am now back to try to field valid questions that I never got around to before. Go to another thread if you don't like this one. I won't be there to bother you.


Ray
 
gumboot said:
Oh... look who's back...
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As are you, so Hello. Now that we've exchanged pleasant recognitions, do you concede the Naudets faked Tony's attendance at Gorumba's funeral? My argument is that that follows from

1.
they spliced him into the pan-left across the crowd

plus

2.
they mirror-imaged the shot which in its original version would have depicted the funeral procession as having suddenly reversed direction.


Ray
 
Andrew Gumboot said:
Ray Ubinger said:
do you concede the Naudets faked Tony's attendance at Gorumba's funeral? My argument is that that follows from
1.
they spliced him into the pan-left across the crowd
plus
2.
they mirror-imaged the shot which in its original version would have depicted the funeral procession as having suddenly reversed direction.
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No, I don't.
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Please share your alternate explanation for that splice-in
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/crowd.htm
and that truck-reversal
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/tonysore.htm


Ray
 
Ray Ubinger said:
Please share your alternate explanation for that splice-in
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/crowd.htm
and that truck-reversal
http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/tonysore.htm


Ray
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1) Cutting on a whip pan is a common and widely used film technique. In fact I have worked on a short film where every single cut was on a whip pan.

2) You have provided no evidence that the funeral in question was faked.

3) The burden of proof for fakery lies with you. Thus far you have presented no evidence to support your contention.

-Gumboot
 
Ray Ubinger said:
Resolved how? How do crashes of alleged planes make gas stop leaking?

No Flight 11 was on the Logan Airport schedule that day, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics database as recently as 2005.


Ray Ubinger
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Have you been in jail for making up 9/11 junk? Source? OMG?


Thank you Mark, I will need the services, best post of all. Award winning advice. Perfect.
 
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Ray Ubinger said:
I'm not collecting old threads for resurrection. This is the only thread I've been on at jref. I'm just defending my position as best I can, being one against many disagreers coming from many angles. I took a break here, posted to other forums and did other things in my life for awhile, and am now back to try to field valid questions that I never got around to before. Go to another thread if you don't like this one. I won't be there to bother you.


Ray
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Ray,

You missed the point, not surprisingly. However, I have seen you do the exact same thing on other forums over the past few years, and I am very much aware of your "theories".

You seriously need to seek psychiatric help.

Contrary to your assertions: FDNY members did not murder Father Mychal Judge; the Naudet brothers were not shooting a "snuff film"; gas leak calls are not at all unusual to a large urban fire department; the engine parts found in the streets were not "planted"; etc., etc., etc.

Seriously, please seek help.
 
gumboot said:
I would like to see this moment where a man walks through the light patches. I couldn't find it in their film. Perhaps you can guide me in the right direction? Upon a brief glance at this footage I will be able to tell you if it is a reflection or not.

-Andrew
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A present-day googlemaps streetview photo of the same street a few blocks farther north, happens to document the same phenomenon:
tinyurl com/windowreflections

Sunlight from the right hit the windows of the building on the left and was reflected back to the right down onto the street.

In the pedestrian reaction shot itself if you look closely, you can see the walking legs of the red-backpack person in the distance, cast their MORNING shadow EASTWARD INTO one of the square light blobs. It's at 2:17-18 at
tinyurl com/ytbravenewworld

Morning shadows are usually cast westward but that person stepped into one of the beams of light that the windows on the west side of Church were reflecting back to the east.

Ray Ubinger
 
Ray Ubinger said:
A present-day googlemaps streetview photo of the same street a few blocks farther north, happens to document the same phenomenon:
tinyurl com/windowreflections

Sunlight from the right hit the windows of the building on the left and was reflected back to the right down onto the street.

In the pedestrian reaction shot itself if you look closely, you can see the walking legs of the red-backpack person in the distance, cast their MORNING shadow EASTWARD INTO one of the square light blobs. It's at 2:17-18 at
tinyurl com/ytbravenewworld

Morning shadows are usually cast westward but that person stepped into one of the beams of light that the windows on the west side of Church were reflecting back to the east.

Ray Ubinger
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What will you prove now? Are you saying 911 truth is nuts, or are you 911 truth coming back after 3 years for extra credit fail?
 
beachnut said:
What will you prove now?
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That's for each reader to judge for himself. I regret I didn't make enough time to answer all the posts before. Pro video man Gumboot seemed unsatisfied that I correctly ID'd the squarish light blobs in the 1st Hit pedestrian reaction shot
911foreknowledge com/bravenewworld.htm
(my first S11 research discovery and the subject of my first post here)
as window reflections. I came back partly to share a recently discovered corroboration. Being reflections eastward onto Church St., of west-moving morning sunlight, the light squares in that reaction shot are consistent with the morning timing of the 1st Hit. This doesn't prove exact 8:46 a.m. timing. (The nature of the action proves that.) The window reflections are just more evidence of general ("morning") timing CONSISTENT with 8:46 a.m. All available evidence is consistent with my ID of the clip as being 1st Hit pedestrian reaction shot with foreknowledge by Gedeon Naudet from just south of Church & Murray along the east gutter of Church.

Ray Ubinger
 
>>> do you concede the Naudets faked Tony's attendance at Gorumba's
>>> funeral? My argument is that that follows from
>>> 1.
>>> they spliced him into the pan-left across the crowd
>>> plus
>>> 2.
>>> they mirror-imaged the shot which in its original version would have
>>> depicted the funeral procession as having suddenly reversed direction.
>>
>> No, I don't.
>
> Please share your alternate explanation for that splice-in
> http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/crowd.htm
> and that truck-reversal
> http://911foreknowledge.com/funeral/tonysore.htm

gumboot said:
1) Cutting on a whip pan is a common and widely used film technique. In fact I have worked on a short film where every single cut was on a whip pan.

2) You have provided no evidence that the funeral in question was faked.

3) The burden of proof for fakery lies with you. Thus far you have presented no evidence to support your contention.

-Gumboot
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They didn't just cut on a whip pan, they SPLICED TONY IN after the cut. They FAKED his attendance at the funeral. They "whip-panned" in order to DISGUISE that there WOULD be a splice. The splice is OBSCURED by the speed of the pan, so it would SEEM as though they simply stopped the camera on Tony, standing in the line of attendees, during a CONTINUOUS shot.

The funeral per se was not faked. Tony's attendance at it was. I await a better explanation for why they would need to TRICKILY INSERT him into a shot of the attendees, and why the truck passing in front of him drove the opposite direction as the truck passing the people in the shots he's not in.

Ray
 
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