Left Wing Media

[RandFan]

You mention the West Wing and the American President, both of which were created by the same person.

I stopped watching West Wing shortly after it started. I found the writting, acting, directing excellent. I just couldn't take the slant of it. I heard latter that it got better but by then I was uninterested.

I should note that Pat Caddel who is one of the smartest and best pundits (not to mention one of the most intellectually honest) around was invovled with West Wing at some level.

If I ever become a Democrat it will be because of Pat Caddel

 

[daenku32]

This is dumb. "Liberals" are just as likely to resort to violence to solve problems as conservatives.

But cheering when the good guy blows off the bad guy from point-blank range after he is already disabled is not exactly an 'liberal' emotion. Be it Desperado or Se7en.

Not to mention the world is always black and white in action movies.

I'd say Last Action Hero was the best example of an 'liberal' action movie and why they are not often made. It bombed.

Remember, whith movies we are always talking about stereotypes.

 

[Random]

The myth of the Liberal Bias of the Media died for me during the 2000 election. Bush had questions of his military service (or lack thereof), clearly illegal stock transactions, and drug use. The news media responded by spending over a year pounding away at Gore for claiming to have invented the internet, when he never made the claim in the first place.

 

[RandFan]

I'm not sure that it does.

I'm going to bet that a lot of sitcoms are pretty conservative. For every Will & Grace we get a few Raymonds, King of Queens, etc.

Ok, I would agree. I think the point is that the most overt political stuff is left leaning.

Of course, the really raunchy, anything goes, trashy violent and off-color stuff is all on Fox, so go figure!

Rupert Murdoch got rich selling papers by placing topless women on the page 3 of his paper The Sun. Murdoch is a fierce libertarian and is not all that cozy with the religious right

 

[Tony]

But cheering when the good guy blows off the bad guy from point-blank range after he is already disabled is not exactly an 'liberal' emotion. Be it Desperado or Se7en.

What exactly is a "liberal" emotion? What you are describing is neither liberal or conservative. It seems you are trying to make something that is fundamentally apolitical political.

What is your idea of what liberal is?

 

[RandFan]

Remember, whith movies we are always talking about stereotypes.

Excellent point!

The sterotype of the Republican portrays a message without spending allot of time on it. I should point out that Dave and I think American president had real Republicans who played the stereotype.

I guess we could argue whether the stereotype is fair and perhaps it should be changed but this is a very valid point.

 

[Silicon]

I stopped watching West Wing shortly after it started. I found the writting, acting, directing excellent. I just couldn't take the slant of it. I heard latter that it got better but by then I was uninterested.

I should note that Pat Caddel who is one of the smartest and best pundits (not to mention one of the most intellectually honest) around was invovled with West Wing at some level.

If I ever become a Democrat it will be because of Pat Caddel

The show's gone SERIOUSLY downhill.

The new writers have lost the core concept, that our Republic has a grandeur and majesty that surpasses the desires of either party.

It's a soap opera now. And the new writers have zero comedy skills. I've stopped watching.


The trap of the politics of that show is the idea that you can give your heroes the best argument, and you can make the republicans buffoons, and give them straw men to set up for the heroes to knock down.

In the very best episodes, they ALWAYS made the republicans arguments the most compelling they could be. No tricks.

They stopped doing that, and I stopped watching.

 

[Tony]

Bush had questions of his military service (or lack thereof),

This seems liberal to me. Bush dodged the draft during Vietnam, why would you expect the "liberal" media to make that out to be a bad thing? Wasn't it the liberals who mostly opposed the Vietnam War and the draft?

clearly illegal stock transactions

I'd expect a conservative media to hold him personally accountable for his "crimes". A liberal media would understand that there are root causes for his "crimes", and thus, it would be wrong to judge him for it.

and drug use.

Why would a liberal look at drug use as a bad thing? I'd expect a liberal to understand that kids do crazy sh!t in their youth. A conservative on the other hand, would decry alleged drug use from the president (ie Clinton's alleged pot smoking).

 

[daenku32]

What exactly is a "liberal" emotion? What you are describing is neither liberal or conservative. It seems you are trying to make something that is fundamentally apolitical political.

What is your idea of what liberal is?

The stereotypical liberal would not blow off the guys head, but send him to prison or just tie him up and make him think what he did.

I'm not saying that me as a hardcore liberal wouldn't blow off a bad guys head in similiar situation, but it certainly wouldn't fit my liberal profile.

I know this is grasping at straws but so is "hollywood is liberal".

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Good post. Could you cite an example like Dave or the American President where the Democrats are the bad guys and the Republicans are the good guys?

It's not democrat/republican but the future portrayed in the movie Demolition Man strikes me very much as a liberal dystopia.

 

[RandFan]

It's not democrat/republican but the future portrayed in the movie Demolition Man strikes me very much as a liberal dystopia.

Very good, yes. I found the Dennis Leary charachter to be very libertarian. I'll grant you that one to a degree.

I thought Forrest Gump was overtly conservative. Not in that Republicans were good Dems bad but as far as values went.

 

[Tony]

The stereotypical liberal would not blow off the guys head...

I guess I don't know what the stereotypical liberal is. Can you describe him?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Remember, whith movies we are always talking about stereotypes.

Supposedly, Hollywood tries to give the public what they want.. (where the money is )

It seems they think the public wants to see a lot of people and things getting blown up ( or maybe beaten to near death and hung on a cross )..

If this is something that liberals have a problem with, and Hollywood is predominantly liberal minded, I would suggest there is a lot of hypocracy at work here...

 

[Cleon]

It's not democrat/republican but the future portrayed in the movie Demolition Man strikes me very much as a liberal dystopia.

I dunno, you could go either way on that one. I mean, you get fined for swearing? No sex? (Liberals are not exactly against sex, here.) Everyone forced into one monoculture, with no regard for diversity? To say nothing of one huge corporation running the show...

Like I said, you could go either way.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Very good, yes. I found the Dennis Leary charachter to be very libertarian. I'll grant you that one to a degree.

I thought Forrest Gump was overtly conservative. Not in that Republicans were good Dems bad but as far as values went.

Well, it's been a looooooong time since I saw the movie, but I thought Dennis Leary played the guy who created the society that they were in (I could be wrong though). Not to derail the thread, but a society where spicy food is banned because it's bad for you and sex is forbidden because you might get a disease doesn't strike me as very libertarian. Probably not very liberal either, but I think a liberal society gone awry is was the concept the moviemakers were going for.

I'll agree with you about Forrest Gump, though.

 

[Silicon]

I guess I don't know what the stereotypical liberal is. Can you describe him?

He's the guy you describe in your straw man posts, like your reply to Random directly above.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

I dunno, you could go either way on that one. I mean, you get fined for swearing? No sex? (Liberals are not exactly against sex, here.) Everyone forced into one monoculture, with no regard for diversity? To say nothing of one huge corporation running the show...

Like I said, you could go either way.

Like I said to RandFan, they might not have accurately portrayed what kind of society liberals would like to create, but I get the definate impression that they were trying to portray a liberal society taken to an absurd degree.

 

[Tony]

He's the guy you describe in your straw man posts, like your reply to Random directly above.

How was that a strawman post?

 

[Tony]

Well, it's been a looooooong time since I saw the movie, but I thought Dennis Leary played the guy who created the society that they were in (I could be wrong though).

Dennis Leary played the dissenter who was exiled to the sewers because he disagreed with liberal authoritarian establishment.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Dennis Leary played the dissenter who was exiled to the sewers because he disagreed with liberal authoritarian establishment.

That's right. I don't think I've seen that movie since it came out. Thanks Tony.