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[Akhenaten]

Pakeha, as you are aware, LDS Scriptures, which includes the Doctrine and Covenants, is LDS Doctrine.

Was that a yes or a no?

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Pakeha, as you are aware, LDS Scriptures, which includes the Doctrine and Covenants, is LDS Doctrine.

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[Empress]

Surely you can read ancient Egyptian?

After all, you've got Joseph Smith's alphabet to help you.

Anyone should be able to do it, right?

No, no, you much keep up, Oh Great and Noble Pharaoh. That was reformed Egyptian. Completely different creature. Only appears around that most amazing of all prophets and scam artists: Joseph Smith.

 

[halleyscomet]

There are many appropriate Scriptural references, including the following:

"Section 29:14 and there shall be greater signs in heaven above and in the earth beneath;"

That doesn't really claim the Earth is Hollow. It's clearly one of the many references to the Earth being below the sky, not an indication that there's a civilization inside the Earth.

Given then structure of the passage, if you read it to claim the Earth is Hollow, then it is stating that signs will be found in Heaven, and in the subterranean civilization, but not on the surface where we live.

"Section 45:40 And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath.
Section 88:79 Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth;"

Both of these fall into the same category as the passage above. Earth is below the sky, and this relationship is mentioned frequently in scripture. Claiming this frequent mention of an obvious physical reality as evidence of a subterranean civilization is, to be kind, comically absurd.

"Section 84:100 The Lord hath brought down Zion from above. The Lord hath brought up Zion from beneath. 101 The earth hath travailed and brought forth her strength; And truth is established in her bowels;"

"Section 101:34 Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven."

Again, common biblical and Bible style hyperbole is being portrayed as evidence of something for which there is NO physical evidence, or any explicit claims in scripture, Mormon, Protestant or Catholic.

Frankly, if this is the best "evidence" for a Hollow Earth in Mormon scripture, then it's clear there's no scriptural support for the idea to speak of.

 

[tsig]

"Section 29:14 and there shall be greater signs in heaven above and in the earth beneath;"

That doesn't really claim the Earth is Hollow. It's clearly one of the many references to the Earth being below the sky, not an indication that there's a civilization inside the Earth.

Given then structure of the passage, if you read it to claim the Earth is Hollow, then it is stating that signs will be found in Heaven, and in the subterranean civilization, but not on the surface where we live.

"Section 45:40 And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath.
Section 88:79 Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth;"

Both of these fall into the same category as the passage above. Earth is below the sky, and this relationship is mentioned frequently in scripture. Claiming this frequent mention of an obvious physical reality as evidence of a subterranean civilization is, to be kind, comically absurd.

"Section 84:100 The Lord hath brought down Zion from above. The Lord hath brought up Zion from beneath. 101 The earth hath travailed and brought forth her strength; And truth is established in her bowels;"

"Section 101:34 Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven."

Again, common biblical and Bible style hyperbole is being portrayed as evidence of something for which there is NO physical evidence, or any explicit claims in scripture, Mormon, Protestant or Catholic.

Frankly, if this is the best "evidence" for a Hollow Earth in Mormon scripture, then it's clear there's no scriptural support for the idea to speak of.

Could the references to things under the earth be referring to the BoM?

 

[halleyscomet]

Could the references to things under the earth be referring to the BoM?

If you mean phrases like "And truth is established in her bowels" then I think that could be a very accurate interpretation of the passages, especially given how much time the plates supposedly spend buried. It certainly makes more sense for the passages to be references to cornerstones of Mormon theology than to be obtuse references to a debunked geology theory which is not part of Mormon theology.

 

[Cat Tale]

There are many appropriate Scriptural references, including the following:
Doctrine & Covenants
Section 29:14 and there shall be greater signs in heaven above and in the earth beneath;
Section 45:40 And they shall see signs and wonders, for they shall be shown forth in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath.
Section 88:79 Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth;
Section 84:100 The Lord hath brought down Zion from above. The Lord hath brought up Zion from beneath. 101 The earth hath travailed and brought forth her strength; And truth is established in her bowels;
Section 101:34 Things most precious, things that are above, and things that are beneath, things that are in the earth, and upon the earth, and in heaven.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc?lang=eng

So you're saying that these scriptures are referring to a hollow earth? Several of them are referring to the Second Coming of Christ. The scripture lists many of the things that have been prophesized to happen, then continues "there shall be greater signs in heaven above and in the earth beneath," but that doesn't mean the earth is hollow. Of course it has been prophesied by prophets of all generations about great earthquakes (which occur within the earth), and I assume volcanoes would also erupt, again from within the earth, and similar things, none of which require a hollow earth.

Section 88:79 is my favorite scripture of all-time, for it instructs us that we do need to study the sciences. We need to study the heavens (i.e. astronomy, meteorology, and things like that), we need to study things on the earth (i.e. oceanography, biology, environmental sciences, botany, etc.), and things in the earth (geology...). Obviously many of these branches overflow into the other categories, and I want to add that this is not meant to be a complete list of the sciences, just a sampling.

When pakeha asked "Janadele, are you saying the hollow earth idea forms part of LDS doctrine?" Janadele replied with "Pakeha, as you are aware, LDS Scriptures, which includes the Doctrine and Covenants, is LDS Doctrine."

What you're actually saying, in a round about way is yes, the hollow earth is part of LDS doctrine. I say prove it. You can't because it isn't. You're not teaching LDS doctrine, you're just confusing people, and frustrating them. And well... anyway...

 

[Agatha]

Cat Tale, it really can't be said too often how grateful I am that you are here to counter the terrible impression Janadele is giving of LDS, and that you are prepared to explain your faith in your own words. I won't ever share your faith but I do admire the graceful way you have conducted yourself, in such a contrast to Janadele and to an extent, skyrider. Thank you.

 

[halleyscomet]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also known as LDS /Mormon, is a Christian denomination, but is neither Protestant nor Catholic... it is the restored Church of Jesus Christ, with eternal doctrines and teachings dating back to the days of Adam, and to our pre mortal existence.

Thoughts on this?

Five year study on Christian hypocrisy designed by pastor John Burke scientifically proves Evangelicals act more Christ-like than other Christians, but that's not saying much.

How do YOU rate?

a nationwide, representative sample of Christians was asked to respond to 20 statements. They could rate their agreement on a four-point scale

I listen to others to learn their story before telling them about my faith.
In recent years, I have influenced multiple people to consider following Christ.
I regularly choose to have meals with people with very different faith or morals from me.
I try to discover the needs of non-Christians rather than waiting for them to come to me.
I am personally spending time with non-believers to help them follow Jesus.

I see God-given value in every person, regardless of their past or present condition.
I believe God is for everyone.
I see God working in people’s lives, even when they are not following him.
It is more important to help people know God is for them than to make sure they know they are sinners.
I feel compassion for people who are not following God and doing immoral things.

I tell others the most important thing in my life is following God’s rules.
I don’t talk about my sins or struggles. That’s between me and God.
I try to avoid spending time with people who are openly gay or lesbian.
I like to point out those who do not have the right theology or doctrine.
I prefer to serve people who attend my church rather than those outside the church.

I find it hard to be friends with people who seem to constantly do the wrong things.
It’s not my responsibility to help people who won’t help themselves.
I feel grateful to be a Christian when I see other people’s failures and flaws.
I believe we should stand against those who are opposed to Christian values.
People who follow God’s rules are better than those who do not.
How Christ-like are Christians?

 

[Pup]

I listen to others to learn their story before telling them about my faith.

If everyone did that, wouldn't it create gridlock and mean that no one could ever tell anyone about their faith? "You go first." "No, you go first."

Not that that's a bad thing, of course.

 

[dudalb]

Let's put the pieces together.

1. The Earth is Hollow.
2. The entry point is under the arctic, with many explorers going over it without realizing it.
3. This means the entry point is underwater.
4. This makes the hollow Earth full of water, explaining where the water from Noah's flood went.
5. The lost tribes of Israel live inside the hollow Earth, explaining why Native Americans are not descended from Jews in a manner that's technically consistent with the Book of Mormon.

Combine the above points and you get:

6. The Lost tribes of Israel are Mer-people.

I never knew "Ariel" was a Jewish name, but if Janadele's theories are accurate, it MUST be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPQVrjnC1jo

I like Edgar Rice Burroughs take on the Hollow Earth in his 'Pellucidar" novels a lot more.

 

[Mister Earl]

Thoughts on this?

Five year study on Christian hypocrisy designed by pastor John Burke scientifically proves Evangelicals act more Christ-like than other Christians, but that's not saying much.

How do YOU rate?

I think the more accurate way of saying that is, "Five year study on Christian hypocrisy designed by pastor John Burke scientifically proves Evangelicals say they act more Christ-like than other Christians."

Seems from what you posted about that study, they just asked what people did, and didn't verify if that's what they actually did.

 

[Tristan Chi]

True information about the hollowness of Tellus is found just below the designated polar openings. By information we, in this context refer to the residue of the left-overs of Roger daltrey's career.

 

[pakeha]

I think the more accurate way of saying that is, "Five year study on Christian hypocrisy designed by pastor John Burke scientifically proves Evangelicals say they act more Christ-like than other Christians."

Seems from what you posted about that study, they just asked what people did, and didn't verify if that's what they actually did.

Why does this remind me of those scientifically proven face-cream adverts?

 

[MIKILLINI]

Pakeha, as you are aware, LDS Scriptures, which includes the Doctrine and Covenants, is LDS Doctrine.

Well, that was a dishonest way of answering Pakeha's question directly...Because you didn't answer it.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Pakeha, as you are aware, LDS Scriptures, which includes the Doctrine and Covenants, is LDS Doctrine.

Are you talking to us or Winston Smith?

 

[Empress]

Are you talking to us or Winston Smith?

I promised myself I was never venturing into this thread if it got active again, but I'm so delighted I did, for this comment alone. Made me laugh out loud.

Well-played, Mr Zygote. Well-played.

 

[Gaspode]

Some posts moved to AAH.

Keep it civil and on-topic please.

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[RandFan]

Pakeha, as you are aware, LDS Scriptures, which includes the Doctrine and Covenants, is LDS Doctrine.

Are you talking to us or Winston Smith?

Chock full of WIN!

I follow Torry Magoo of ex-Scientology fame. She refers to Scientology as The Truman Show.

 

[pakeha]

Oh, myyy.
Winston Smith.
How could I have missed it?
Brilliant, Foster Zygote, brilliant.
And, RandFan, thanks for the link to Tory Magoo. I'm now subscribed to her channel.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Are you talking to us or Winston Smith?

Nice!! We are the "unpersons" here? lol