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Janadele said:
Sacred matters require Spiritual understanding, and do not follow the laws of mortality, nor are they to be discussed lightly nor irreverently.
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There are some problems:

  • How is one to distinguish sacred matters from profane (non-sacred) ones.
  • How is one to distinguish spiritual from material understanding.
  • What are the "laws of mortality"? Where are they written down? Who do they apply to?
  • Where in the MA does it prohibit light or irreverent discussion?
 
RandFan said:
Source.

[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img15/332/papyrusq.jpg[/qimg]

The above is a photograph of Joseph Smithʼs purchased papyri.

[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img600/623/facsimile1.png[/qimg]

The above is Joseph Smithʼs interpretation of ʻFacsimile 1.

[qimg]http://imageshack.us/a/img706/4407/facsimile2.jpg[/qimg]

The true ʻFacsimile 1ʼ as depicted in numerous Egyptian Book of the Dead documents
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Thanks for reposting those images.
It would be great to read a reaction from a Mormon about this that isn't either parroting an official line or reliance on 'a burning in the bosom.'



Janadele said:
It is only non believers who have no understanding and little knowledge of Spiritual matters who have reason to be embarrassed.

As already posted many times The Book of Abraham is official Scripture and therefore official Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp?lang=eng
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I'm patient.
Janadele, I understand you feel the need to repeat yourself on the subject.
What would it take to change your view on this?
An about-face on the part of LDS leaders, as happened on the subject of polygamy and racism?
Have you ever discussed the evidence the BoA is fraudulent with any trusted authorities in you area?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Or, more accurately, because she thinks she has nothing else. One thing that struck me after I let go of my faith was how little my life actually changed. I still had the same friends and loved ones, the same sense of right and wrong, the same sense of wonder and joy in the face of the universe we inhabit.
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Fair point. She seems to think that there is nothing but a void without religion. I have the same experience as you. Nothing changed in my life as a result of being an atheist.
 
I'm thinking of cheese balls lightly coated in Marmite and then rolled in cornflakes.

Anyway, Janadele.
How about giving us an idea why a demonstrable fraud, like the BoA, doesn't raise any doubts in your mind about the LDS.
In fact, the question's open to any of our Mormon posters to tackle.
 
Janadele said:
The crunch will come in the Eternities.
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Eternity is a Granny Smith apple? I don't like raw apple, so I guess I'm screwed.

I understand that you may feel you are posting profound drops of knowledge, but to most of us your preaching is meaningless.

It is a great pity that you cannot bring yourself to look at the pictures which have been posted, and understand that JS's drawings to fill in the gaps of the papyrus are incorrect when compared with a intact image.
 
Janadele said:
Sacred matters require Spiritual understanding, and do not follow the laws of mortality, nor are they to be discussed lightly nor irreverently. Our Heavenly Father is the father of both the Spiritual body and the mortal body of Jesus Christ.

<polytheist drivel>
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Janadele said:
It is only non believers who have no understanding and little knowledge of Spiritual matters who have reason to be embarrassed.
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There's nothing spiritual about it. Smith's bogus 'translations' of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics is so wrong on purely objective academic grounds as to be comical.

I feel no embarrassment whatsoever in pointing this out.

On the other hand, were one to attempt presentation of a lecture of some kind along the lines of "New Translations of Ancient Pyramid Texts According to the Alphabet of Joseph Smith" at any kind of venue other than an LDS cult meeting there would be an avalanche of embarrassment, with generous helpings of hilarity.


Janadele said:
As already posted many times The Book of Abraham is official Scripture and therefore official Doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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And as has also already been pointed out, this is an indictment, not an endorsement.

The more often it's repeated the more the cult of LDS appears to be based on a story that would have been rejected as the plot for an episode of Spongebob Squarepants due to its lack of credibility.
 
poblob14 said:
How about the Slaughter of the Innocents, which Matthew says happened to fulfil a prophecy of Jeremiah? Sure, that was Herod's act, but wouldn't it have been better for God to just not give that prophecy to Jeremiah in the first place?
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http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/prophecy-prophesy?lang=eng
"A prophecy consists of divinely inspired words or writings, which a person receives through revelation from the Holy Ghost. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy
(Rev. 19:10). A prophecy may pertain to the past, present, or future. When a person prophesies, he speaks or writes that which God wants him to know."

Herod acted on his own evil intent, which fulfilled prophecy, but did not, as poblob has incorrectly indicated, "happen to fulfil a prophecy"

"Respecting the foreknowledge of God, let it not be said that divine omniscience is of itself a determining cause whereby events are inevitably brought to pass... Our Heavenly Father has a full knowledge of the nature and disposition of each of His children, a knowledge gained by long observation and experience in the past eternity of our primeval childhood; ... By reason of that surpassing knowledge, God reads the future of child and children, of men individually and of men collectively as communities and nations; He knows what each will do under given conditions, and sees the end from the beginning. His foreknowledge is based on intelligence and reason. He foresees the future as a state which naturally and surely will be; not as one which must be because He has arbitrarily willed that it shall be."--James E. Talmage, The Great Apostasy, pp. 19–20.
 
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Janadele said:
A prophecy consists of divinely inspired words or writings, which a person receives through revelation from the Holy Ghost. The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy
(Rev. 19:10).
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As has been posted previously, it appears that Smith was unable even to translate passages from the Christian Bible that were already in English.


Rev. 19:10

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.​


Until this thread came along I'd always credited Smith with at least getting a few things right.

Now I know better.


Janadele said:
A prophecy may pertain to the past, present, or future.
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Codswallop.


Janadele said:
When a person prophesies, he speaks or writes that which God wants him to know.

Herod acted on his own evil intent, which fulfilled prophecy, but did not happen to fulfil prophecy.
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Are you truly unable to see how contradictory these two bits of nonsense are?
 
Akhenaten said:
[qimg]http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/HostedStuff/CheopsChips.jpg[/qimg]
mmm . . . crunchy!​
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Just when you think you've reached the outer limits of weird eating, someone has to mention the Japanese.
 
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