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Janadele said:
Nonsense. Copying lists from anti-Mormon sites and then expecting me to spend my time researching their claims, will not work. I have better things to do with my time. No doubt there are apologists who have already refuted their lists, over and over and over again... look them up.
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Nonsense.
Post #167? Those claims are from your book. Be so good as to explain them.

I have done the research. I want to know your take on the inaccuracies.

...or are you claiming that The Book of Mormon is an "anti-mormon site?

(BTW: the "quote" function helps make it cleas to whom you are addressing your posts...)
 
Janadele said:
Nonsense. Copying lists from anti-Mormon sites and then expecting me to spend my time researching their claims, will not work. I have better things to do with my time. No doubt there are apologists who have already refuted their lists, over and over and over again... look them up.
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Hand-waving doesn't make them go away, sorry. This isn't copied from some anti-Mormon site; I read the BoM itself. It mentions animals (like horses) and technology (like steel) that simply didn't exist in the American continent at the time. There's no getting away from that simple fact.
 
Janadele said:
You will need to enquire elsewhere for information on the Community of Christ. It is not my interest to discuss or criticise other denominations.
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I'm looking for a compare/contrast. CoC and LDS both look to the Book of Mormon. Why is LDS correct, and CoC incorrect?
 
What inaccuracies? Whatever is in the Book of Mormon is fact. It is Scripture.

So are you saying that you did not copy lists from anti-Mormon sites, but that instead you yourself read the Book of Mormon and isolated these quotes and researched yourself to prove that they were inaccurate?

How did you do such research? You were not living at that time and place in mortality. You may well have witnessed as a pre mortal spirit, but then you have no memory of that time.
 
It's not anti-Mormon to point out that there are errors of fact contained within the book of Mormon. Nobody is saying you should not believe, if that's what you choose.

What we are asking is your position on these errors, such as the mention of a compass 1800 years before the compass was invented, or cows and horses being in the Americas 2000 years before they were actually brought there. There's a list of quotes from the Book of Mormon in this post. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8876193#post8876193

Do you claim that the book of Mormon is right, and historians/biologists/physicists/archaeologists (etc) all round the world are wrong, or do you accept that there are errors in the book of Mormon? If you do accept that there are clear errors of fact, how do you rationalise these with your faith?

Asking questions and pointing out errors is not anti-Mormon and it's not anti-faith. You came here to talk to people about your faith, nobody forced you to come here. We've done you the courtesy of listening, so now please return the same courtesy and explain your faith instead of running away from the questions.
 
Do you sorta get the feeling that Janadele has never read the entire Book of Mormon? Few have; certainly I never kept awake past the 100th. And it came to pass.

Here's a title I'm pretty damn sure she's never cracked: No Man Knows My History, by Shawn Brodie. It's a cracking fine bio of Joe Smith, written by a Mormon.

That's right, Janadele: I dare ya!
 
Janadele said:
What inaccuracies?
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As said before: Horses, chariots, steel, compasses, etc.

Whatever is in the Book of Mormon is fact. It is Scripture.

So are you saying that you did not copy lists from anti-Mormon sites,
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I've don't recall ever actually having visited an anti-Mormon site, believe it or not.

but that instead you yourself read the Book of Mormon and isolated these quotes and researched yourself to prove that they were inaccurate?
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Other way around. I studied North American archaeology and ethnohistory prior to reading the BoM. By the time I was through I Nephi it was obvious to me that the book was anything but fact.
 
sackett said:
do you sorta get the feeling that janadele has never read the entire book of mormon? Few have; certainly i never kept awake past the 100th. And it came to pass.

Here's a title i'm pretty damn sure she's never cracked: no man knows my history, by sh Fawn brodie. It's a cracking fine bio of joe smith, written by a mormon.

That's right, janadele: I dare ya!
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ftfy
 
Fawn Brodie is an anti-Mormon and was excommunicated from the LDS Church.
 
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No wonder I feel sympathetic towards neo-pagam movements; their followers thinks it's up to you to find your own path.

All religion claim to be true, why pick one where you have to wear uncomfortable special underwear?
 
Janadele, it's obvious that you are not here to actually discuss your church. You want to discuss your faith, however these are or the same things.

You believe what you believe because you believe it. Circular, though it makes most people scratch their heads. Others here have pointed out the problems that exist I your own holy book, and you seem to be unwilling to discuss them. To me, that means you really don't have faith, let alone an understanding of your religion. You stick your fi gets your ears while claiming that you won't hear the words of satan or those who disparage your church. You cannot face them, I your own thread, that you cared to discuss your religion!

You follow a religion. That seems to treat certain segment to of their followers as second class citizens. Homosexuals are denied the love they feel, and the intimacy they crave, because your vile book demands it. Even worse, your church tries to e vice this practice on tone who do not believe in Mormonism! Then you haw women who appear to be expected to marry and have children early on life. No dreams for them! No careers, no life outside having children and obeying their husband. Can women even be priests? Hold offices of power over men In your religion?
 
Janadele said:
Fawn Brodie is an anti-Mormon and was excommunicated from the LDS Church.
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Fawn Brodie was a decent honest and very intelligent woman. Her work is scholarly and has stood the test of time and there is no evidence that Brodie was malicious.
 
Janadele said:
Personally I have no interest in refuting anything in the Book of Mormon. It is Scripture, as is the Holy Bible, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants.
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Yes, I'm sure you don't want to talk about the blatant fraud that is the "Book of Abraham."

The following link to Fair addresses such issues for those who have concerns,
Fair is not an official LDS site.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms
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Yeah, I've seen that site before. They "address" the anachronisms by simply making stuff up. For example, by "horses," maybe the BoM really means "deer." I'm not making that up - that's seriously the kind of ridiculous crap they come up with.

There's a reason why "FAIR" isn't taken seriously by, well, anyone outside of the Church.
 
No one "has" to do so. In fact only members who are worthy to hold a Temple Recommend and whose recommend is current, are allowed to enter an LDS Temple and be issued with Temple Garments.
eir_de_scania said:
... why pick one where you have to wear uncomfortable special underwear?
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Cleon said:
Yes, I'm sure you don't want to talk about the blatant fraud that is the "Book of Abraham."



Yeah, I've seen that site before. They "address" the anachronisms by simply making stuff up. For example, by "horses," maybe the BoM really means "deer." I'm not making that up - that's seriously the kind of ridiculous crap they come up with.

There's a reason why "FAIR" isn't taken seriously by, well, anyone outside of the Church.
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There are things that are spectacularly wrong. Why wheat and barley and not maize? Smith could not have known about DNA but he could have known about native crops had he done some research.
 
That is not so Rand. Being excommunicated is not a light matter.
RandFan said:
Fawn Brodie was a decent honest and very intelligent woman. Her work is scholarly and has stood the test of time and there is no evidence that Brodie was malicious.
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I asked this in another thread, and I'll ask it again here, as no one responded.

Why would a being as powerful as believers think that god is give too much of a care about our brand of particularly hairless ape?
 
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