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We were all in the beginning as an intelligence. Infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting. Our intelligence was born into a Spiritual body through our Heavenly parents. This Spiritual body grew to maturity, as each of us reached a different stage of knowledge and elevated intelligence. We were then each given the choice to further progress by choosing to come to this earth for our Spiritual body to receive a mortal body for a trial period. Our progression has brought us here to this moment in time and all will continue to progress through the eternities except for those who choose Lucifer and follow him to outer darkness and regress back to their state as the intelligence they were in the beginning.

Mashuna said:
Fortunately, there is no evidence that we are eternal beings, and plenty of evidence that we are not.
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Janadele said:
We were all in the beginning as an intelligence. Infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting. Our intelligence was born into a Spiritual body through our Heavenly parents. This Spiritual body grew to maturity, as each of us reached a different stage of knowledge and elevated intelligence. We were then each given the choice to further progress by choosing to come to this earth for our Spiritual body to receive a mortal body for a trial period. Our progression has brought us here to this moment in time and all will continue to progress through the eternities except for those who choose Lucifer and follow him to outer darkness and regress back to their state as the intelligence they were in the beginning.
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Yes, as he said, fortunately there is no evidence for any of that.
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
Yes, as he said, fortunately there is no evidence for any of that.
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Exactly. It's funny how religion generally teaches humility, but is actually the epitome of arrogance. We're supposed to believe Janadele, simply because she says so. If we don't get that burning in the bosom when she tells us the "facts," there's something wrong with us.

But to continue the analogy, we're not suitable hosts for the meme. The techniques that work on the proper hosts still work well, so religions have no pressure to change them to suit everyone, any more than rabbits adapt to climbing trees as long as there's plenty of brushland to live in.

I'd love to see a debate between two Mormons like Janadele and Henry Eyring, though. It would be like a ring species, and they would be the two ends who couldn't intermix, even though they started from the same source.
 
Pup, I have no quarrel with Henry Eyring, nor his son Henry B. Eyring of the First Presidency... I have only admiration and respect for them both, as I do for all the Brethren.
Pup said:
I'd love to see a debate between two Mormons like Janadele and Henry Eyring, though. It would be like a ring species, and they would be the two ends who couldn't intermix, even though they started from the same source.
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Janadele said:
We were all in the beginning as an intelligence. Infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting. Our intelligence was born into a Spiritual body through our Heavenly parents. This Spiritual body grew to maturity, as each of us reached a different stage of knowledge and elevated intelligence. We were then each given the choice to further progress by choosing to come to this earth for our Spiritual body to receive a mortal body for a trial period. Our progression has brought us here to this moment in time and all will continue to progress through the eternities except for those who choose Lucifer and follow him to outer darkness and regress back to their state as the intelligence they were in the beginning.
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And its all fine and well you believe that, but as others have said, the evidence is sadly lacking. I've worked with people who have had a clear revelation that they are reincarnated and that there is no particular god, just other spirits.
I've worked with devout evangelical christians who *know* due to jesus talking to them that their version of christianity is right.
I've worked with muslims who know similarly that their religion is the only one.
Etc etc.
The one thing they all have in common is that they all know they are right and everyone else is wrong the exact same way that you do. Some form of revelation.

To me this either means there are a lot of so-called gods of roughly equal power and therefore chosing is pretty meaningless or there are no gods at all and its all just a form of self delusion.
Given that all the gods are supposedly all-powerful yet seem unable to convince most of humanity or do simple things like re-grow a limb of a devout follower I'm going with the latter.
 
Janadele said:
Pup, I have no quarrel with Henry Eyring, nor his son Henry B. Eyring of the First Presidency... I have only admiration and respect for them both, as I do for all the Brethren.
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Here's my evidence that you and Eyring would not agree. From this post:

Janadele said:
I do not support Darwin's Theory of Evolution.
Humankind is the direct and lineal offspring of Deity
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From Henry Eyring, Mormon Scientist and Supporter of Evolution: "to quickly summarize, Eyring accepts, supports and even defends human evolution in 3 out of the four locations where the subject turns up in the book (one quote is rather ambiguous)."

In the review, there's also a quote from Stephen L. Peck, from this opinion piece in the Salt Lake Tribune:

Stephen L. Peck said:
I am a biology professor and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I take particular delight in being raised a Mormon who was taught that education and knowledge are among our highest ideals.

Many are surprised to find that I am also an evolutionary biologist. I am also a member of the Society for the Study of Evolution, the United States' leading evolutionary science organization, and have published papers in its journal Evolution. I have published numerous scientific papers on the topic of evolution and believe that it is the best explanation for the diversity of life we see around us.
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I stand by my assessment. The meme has become a ring species. :)
 
Pup... Our Heavenly Father is the greatest of all mathematicians and scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not refute true science, but certainly does not support the theories of Darwin... as also does not Henry Eyring. The word evolution does not automatically mean human beings come from monkeys... far from it. I would suggest you read Henry Eyrings books for the real meanings and not take words out of context or from dubious publications.
 
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Nonsense. Copying lists from anti-Mormon sites and then expecting me to spend my time researching their claims, will not work. I have better things to do with my time. No doubt there are apologists who have already refuted their lists, over and over and over again... look them up.
 
Janadele said:
Nonsense. Copying lists from anti-Mormon sites and then expecting me to spend my time researching their claims, will not work.
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Who has done that? Post #167 lists actual quotes from the Book of Mormon. Quotes which refer to animals and plants being present in the Americas centuries before they first arrived there.
 
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