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deaman said:
What I hear you saying is that people who have this kind of martyr syndrome, would have it whether they were religious or not. It has to do with the absence of self-esteem of the person. It is the actions of a person in need of validation.
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Yes, that's a good point. And of course the martyr syndrome can appear in lots of places unconnected to religion, from the "99%" who complain about being helplessly exploited by banks and Wall Street, to disgruntled spouses or ex-spouses always complaining about their partners or ex-partners.

And, of course, in those cases too, it's the ones who continually revel in their problems who are most apt to stand out and be noticed, while others just quietly make the best of things, or seek attention long enough to get help with their problems and then move on.
 
deaman said:
It seems more marketable for them if they say the former members, "lost the spirit", rather than, they "saw through the BS" and "figured out it was a con game". But, reality is, they actually believe the con, themselves

In mormonism there is such a thing as Temple Marriage, It is a marriage "for all time and eternity", as opposed to "until death do us part". Imagine my amazment to find that there are many who are married in the temple, yet later divorce just like normal marriages.

Did god get it wrong?
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In my experience, divorce has always been seen as fairly benign in the Mormon culture, so long as it's strictly a civil divorce. It's only a temple divorce that's a problem, and IIRC the temple divorce is a long and time-consuming process. Also, just because you apply for one, doesn't mean that you'll receive one. So many couples just get divorced civilly, and you end up with the odd situation where a man will be married in the temple to both his ex-wife/wives and his current wife.

Of course, a woman cannot be sealed to more than one man, so if she wants to be re-married in the temple, she must be granted a temple divorce before this can happen. Or she can just marry civilly and forget the temple marriage. She'd still be married to her first husband by temple standards.

I believe the rate of divorce among Mormons is roughly equivalent to the non-Mormon population, but the rate of temple divorce is only about 6%.
 
http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/8vbxy/i_had_a_couple_of_the_mormon_bike_boys_stop_me/

So I was walking home after work, and two Mormon missionaries asked if they could talk to me about the Book of Mormon.

Me: You don't want to talk to me.

Bike Boy 1: Why not?

Me: (counting off on my fingers)
• Your entire religion is based on the sayings of an illiterate convicted con-artist.

• There is no evidence for the existence of the 'golden plates' except for the word of an illiterate convicted con-artist, who fled west to avoid prosecution.

• Molecular genetic evidence has refuted the Mormon claim that the American Indians were the 'lost tribe of Israel'.

• Many of the dogmas of your religion were created by your illiterate convicted con-man founder for his own personal gain.

• I find the actions of your church and members during the California Prop 8 campaign to be totally reprehensible, not to mention unconstitutional and illegal.

Bike Boy 2 : (muttered under his breath) Oh ****.

Bike Boy 1 : Um...those are...um...well...

Me: Told ya. (starts walking away)

Bike Boy 2 : At least he didn't start screaming at us.

I know, it's not the greatest story, but I enjoyed it.
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:boxedin:
 
Craig4 said:
Not to take away from you accomplishment, but this happens a few times a day to the missionaries working the Metro stops going into Washington DC. Maybe they shouldn't stake out the same stops used by the archaeologists and historians who work at the Smithsonian.
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That must be a beautiful thing to see.
 
RandFan said:
I'm sorry I thought that I had made that clear before. In the MTC and the mission field we were told to meet with members and ask them questions like "do you know of anyone who has lost a loved one recently"?
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That kind of thinking got the LDS in real trouble a few years ago when they begun baptizing Holocaust Victims without getting the relatives permission.......
 
Craig4 said:
Not to take away from you accomplishment, but this happens a few times a day to the missionaries working the Metro stops going into Washington DC. Maybe they shouldn't stake out the same stops used by the archaeologists and historians who work at the Smithsonian.
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A point of clarification. I did not write the account, I am merely passing it along.
 
Craig4 said:
It's okay, I'm just remembering a few fun anecdotes. When I posted that I'd been drinking.
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That reminds me of a joke.

Q: Why should you always take two Mormons when you go fishing?
A: Because if you only take one, he'll drink all your beer.
 
dudalb said:
That must be a beautiful thing to see.
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It has it's moments. Why you'd think it is worthwhile to engage a DC commuter in a deep philosophical discussion is beyond me. We pretty much all think the country will collapse if we don't get to work on time or will KILL anyone who gets in the way of us returning to our homes at a decent hour in the evening. I hope the LDS only send the bravest of the brave to DC to work the Metro stops.
 
It occurs to me that a "Black Russian" has got to be one of the most evil things in the universe to a Mormon. It has alcohol in the form of a coffee liquor AND the name references a dark skinned person.
 
RandFan said:
It would require a church leader to be sure.
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LOL!!!

Ok, I keep seeing this reference about the definition of the word "negro", and the Mormon Church.

I understand about the racism inherent in the BoM, and the fact that fair skinned people are supposed to be delightsome, before the lord. But, what gives here? Why would you need a church leader to tell you if someone is a negro?

Thanks in advance.
 
deaman said:
LOL!!!

Ok, I keep seeing this reference about the definition of the word "negro", and the Mormon Church.

I understand about the racism inherent in the BoM, and the fact that fair skinned people are supposed to be delightsome, before the lord. But, what gives here? Why would you need a church leader to tell you if someone is a negro?

Thanks in advance.
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It's a reference to an earlier drift in the thread where Janadele talked about Negros not being able to hold the priesthood in the past, but when asked specifically could not or refused to, explain what "Negro" meant. She claimed it's not skin color, or African heritage. Eventually it seemed to come down to the church leaders could tell 'em when they see 'em.
 
Empress said:
It's a reference to an earlier drift in the thread where Janadele talked about Negros not being able to hold the priesthood in the past, but when asked specifically could not or refused to, explain what "Negro" meant. She claimed it's not skin color, or African heritage. Eventually it seemed to come down to the church leaders could tell 'em when they see 'em.
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We all probably know how the word "******" is used today among younger blacks, and other races as well. But, I also know that the term ******, or niggardly discribes someone who is stingy, or miserly.

I don't suppose that's what the mormons mean, though.

EDIT: Hmm, interesting. I guess the JREF finds the N-word offensive.
 
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deaman said:
We all probably know how the word "******" is used today among younger blacks, and other races as well. But, I also know that the term ******, or niggardly is someone who is stingy or miserly.

I don't suppose that's what the mormons mean, though.
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Mormons specifically meant black people when they referred to Negros. There were several quotations from different prophets that made it clear beyond all reasonable doubt that from Brigham Young's leadership until the 1970s, black men could not hold the priesthood, and that the "skin of blackness" was a curse from god. But Janadele refused to admit it, no matter how much evidence was posted.

Behold the power of religious denial.
 
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