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Janadele said:
Joseph Smith was a Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the Lord Jesus Christ... and as such received Heavenly guidance, inspiration and Revelation.
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Then how do you explain his complete and utter failure to get anything right in his translation that became the Book of Abraham? There is nothing that Smith said there that is even remotely related to the autograph.
 
Slowvehicle said:
Again:

If you can simply dismiss anything with which you disagree as "anti-mormon propaganda" and "lies", why do you feel as if pro-mormon propaganda is a proper citation?

Where are the neutral sources that support you?
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"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation, so that belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin
 
Janadele said:
Joseph Smith was a Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the Lord Jesus Christ... and as such received Heavenly guidance, inspiration and Revelation.
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Then why the church is disregarding his Revelation about polygamy?

61* And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else. 62* And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

D&C
 
Janadele said:
Biblical Mistranslation.

The Lord did not harden Pharaohs heart. Pharaoh choose to harden his own heart... and the consequence followed.

Exodus 5–6. Moses and Aaron ask Pharaoh to free Israel, but Pharaoh refuses and places greater burdens on the people (5:1–23). The Lord promises to fulfill the covenant he made with Abraham (6:1–8).

Chapters 7–10 tell of Moses approaching Pharaoh many more times, asking him to free Israel. Despite many signs, wonders, and plagues, Pharaoh refuses.

The Joseph Smith Translation of these chapters reads “Pharaoh hardened his heart.”
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I thought this thread mercifully croaked.

At any rate, I figured that would be your answer to the Pharaoh question, as my mother insists the same thing. The question is, why should we take Joseph Smith's word for this? No one else says that particular verse is mistranslated. Oh, wait, I forgot. JS was a seer and revelator, which is why his Book of Breathing is so spot-on.

I notice you clipped problob's full quote which contained another question. Here it is again, so you can address it now:

How about the Slaughter of the Innocents, which Matthew says happened to fulfil a prophecy of Jeremiah? Sure, that was Herod's act, but wouldn't it have been better for God to just not give that prophecy to Jeremiah in the first place?
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Janadele said:
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/fac-1?lang=eng
Facsimile 1 from the Book of Abraham
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No Egyptian scholar agrees with this:

A Facsimile from the Book of Abraham

Facsimile 1
Explanation

The Angel of the Lord.
Abraham fastened upon an altar.
The idolatrous priest of Elkenah attempting to offer up Abraham as a sacrifice.
The altar for sacrifice by the idolatrous priests, standing before the gods of Elkenah, Libnah, Mahmackrah, Korash, and Pharaoh.
The idolatrous god of Elkenah.
The idolatrous god of Libnah.
The idolatrous god of Mahmackrah.
The idolatrous god of Korash.
The idolatrous god of Pharaoh.
Abraham in Egypt.
Designed to represent the pillars of heaven, as understood by the Egyptians.
Raukeeyang, signifying expanse, or the firmament over our heads; but in this case, in relation to this subject, the Egyptians meant it to signify Shaumau, to be high, or the heavens, answering to the Hebrew word, Shaumahyeem.



I found this in the BoA:

62* And now, behold, I say unto you: This is the plan of salvation unto all men, through the blood of mine Only Begotten, who shall come in the meridian of time.

I believe that Abraham lived long before Jesus yet he not only knows him he uses proper Christian terminology.
 
Oh my goodness, this thread will never die, will it?

Look, Janadele. Here's what you should say:
You're very right, Smith's translation does not match that of Egyptologists. We believe the translation itself was an inspired act, and what Smith wrote is true, Truth actually, on a deeply spiritual level. More importantly, it was exactly what was needed at the time to establish God's Kingdom here on Earth. We believe the lessons contained in the BoA are just as relevant today, and thus - regardless of historical origin - hold it in the highest theological regard.
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There. Say that. No one can argue against that. You're just saying you believe what you believe regardless of what others think are the "facts," not that your position is the factually supported one and the entire rest of the world is wrong. Much less contentious this way.
 
tsig said:
I don't remember a Pre_Mortal existence.
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That's one of the great victim-blaming bits about Mormonism that really, really gets to me.

In their theology, we all lived in this Pre-Mortal existence, and we knew exactly what was going to happen to us here in this life. For example, someone born to abusive parents who beat them unmercifully and develop all sorts of problems as a result of the abuse, knew beforehand what they were going to endure, but they freely chose that life anyway. Because of course, what kind of moron would prefer loving parents without addiction/mental health issues, who are financially comfortable, etc?. No, no. Give me that crack addict who beats me with an extension cord for screaming too loud when I don't get a bottle and my diaper is wet. What you endure here is your Pre-Mortal choice.

I really can't see how anyone can't find this blatant victim-blaming mentality morally repugnant.
 
Empress said:
That's one of the great victim-blaming bits about Mormonism that really, really gets to me.

In their theology, we all lived in this Pre-Mortal existence, and we knew exactly what was going to happen to us here in this life. For example, someone born to abusive parents who beat them unmercifully and develop all sorts of problems as a result of the abuse, knew beforehand what they were going to endure, but they freely chose that life anyway. Because of course, what kind of moron would prefer loving parents without addiction/mental health issues, who are financially comfortable, etc?. No, no. Give me that crack addict who beats me with an extension cord for screaming too loud when I don't get a bottle and my diaper is wet. What you endure here is your Pre-Mortal choice.

I really can't see how anyone can't find this blatant victim-blaming mentality morally repugnant.
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Whoa! Yes, that is repugnant, but it raises another question. If we all enjoy the pre-mortal existence wherein we witness the full truth and glory which is God, why are there people in their mortal existence that chose to not be Mormons?

Seems something of a contradiction.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Oh my goodness, this thread will never die, will it?

Look, Janadele. Here's what you should say:


There. Say that. No one can argue against that. You're just saying you believe what you believe regardless of what others think are the "facts," not that your position is the factually supported one and the entire rest of the world is wrong. Much less contentious this way.
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Yes, it is less contentious which is why this is grade-B trolling. Not subtle, but designed to irritate and annoy without breaking the actual rules (much) and with no interaction nor desire to inform or be informed.
 
jsfisher said:
Whoa! Yes, that is repugnant, but it raises another question. If we all enjoy the pre-mortal existence wherein we witness the full truth and glory which is God, why are there people in their mortal existence that chose to not be Mormons?

Seems something of a contradiction.
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Why come here at all?
 
jsfisher said:
Whoa! Yes, that is repugnant, but it raises another question. If we all enjoy the pre-mortal existence wherein we witness the full truth and glory which is God, why are there people in their mortal existence that chose to not be Mormons?

Seems something of a contradiction.
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We don't remember our Pre-Mortal existence, which is why we have to learn and grow in this world without the knowledge we once had. They call it something about a veil. Can't remember now. Anyway, sometimes they'll talk about little ones still remembering their Pre-Mortal existence when they do something adults think is unusually bright, like appearing to remember someone they haven't met in months. Then the next time, when the baby doesn't appear to recognize them, they say the veil was passed over the child's eyes, and they can no longer remember. Makes no sense to assign theological awareness to random baby expressions, I know, but there you have it.

Of course, they never explain, since there was this big war in the Pre-Mortal existence and all of us chose the right side which is why we're here in the first place, instead of being one of Satan's minions, why we have to go through life at all, why we can't just hang around in heaven enjoying ourselves, but I'm sure there's some very reasonable answer. :rolleyes:
 
Empress said:
That's one of the great victim-blaming bits about Mormonism that really, really gets to me.

In their theology, we all lived in this Pre-Mortal existence, and we knew exactly what was going to happen to us here in this life. For example, someone born to abusive parents who beat them unmercifully and develop all sorts of problems as a result of the abuse, knew beforehand what they were going to endure, but they freely chose that life anyway. Because of course, what kind of moron would prefer loving parents without addiction/mental health issues, who are financially comfortable, etc?. No, no. Give me that crack addict who beats me with an extension cord for screaming too loud when I don't get a bottle and my diaper is wet. What you endure here is your Pre-Mortal choice.

I really can't see how anyone can't find this blatant victim-blaming mentality morally repugnant.
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Of course, the abusive parents were born knowing they were going to be abusive parents and the parents of the abusive parents knew they were going to give birth to abusive parents.

Is there a turtle down there somewhere?
 
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