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Northern Lights said:
I'm all for solid evidence, but unless you can figure out some way for me to un-see something, I don't think that is going to work.
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And hence you have fairly nailed the precise problem with anecdotal evidence. All of the failed studies in the world are not going to change your opinion. That is the nature of what lies at the heart of the Bigfoot eternal engine. As long as people claim to see something, the good ship Bigfoot will never sink.
 
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Northern Lights said:
I'm all for solid evidence, but unless you can figure out some way for me to un-see something, I don't think that is going to work.
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Mis-indentification -- Happens all the time; think of the criminal cases where DNA evidence frees the individual convicted in part through eyewitness testimony.

Confirmation bias -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. They also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.
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Cognitive errors -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Hypnagogia/hypnopompia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
Perfectly explains my couldn't be wrong/know what I saw ghost experience when I was 10. Happens all the time to adults as well.

So you don't have to unsee anything; you do have to open your mind though.
 
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^^ Yes, further to what Resume is saying, is there any room for error in your mind? Is your conviction 100% based on your, I think it was a thermal image? Will you admit no margin for error in your current stance? Not asking for you to do anything that is not practical, like "unseeing", but simply admitting to yourself mostly, that perhaps you were wrong? None of us have access to a time machine so falsifying your anecdotal claim is impossible. It could only come from you. If you have barred your mind to any possibility that you were wrong, then I suspect you are in for a life time of disappointment in regards to this topic.

You admit that there are 8,000 things wrong with Footery in general. Resume has given you alternative options to possibly explain your sighting. Will you even accept the possibility that any one of them could explain your sighting?
 
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Jodie said:
When you keep thinking you see something, or evidence for something, yet can't find the thing you are looking for then the natural conclusion is that it isn't corporeal rather than the alternative explanations.
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On the other hand, the rational conclusion is that you've misperceived what you "thought" you saw owing to one or more of the numerous flaws in human perception, including apophenia and its subset pareidolia, confirmation bias and its cousin regional expectation, hypnagogic hallucination, group confabulation, etc. etc. etc.
 
IOW, what Resume has kindly linked and discussed below.

Resume said:
Mis-indentification -- Happens all the time; think of the criminal cases where DNA evidence frees the individual convicted in part through eyewitness testimony.

Confirmation bias -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


Cognitive errors -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Hypnagogia/hypnopompia -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
Perfectly explains my couldn't be wrong/know what I saw ghost experience when I was 10. Happens all the time to adults as well.

So you don't have to unsee anything; you do have to open your mind though.
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Northern Lights said:
I'm all for solid evidence, but unless you can figure out some way for me to un-see something, I don't think that is going to work.
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Vortigern99 said:
On the other hand, the rational conclusion is that you've misperceived what you "thought" you saw owing to one or more of the numerous flaws in human perception, including apophenia and its subset pareidolia, confirmation bias and its cousin regional expectation, hypnagogic hallucination, group confabulation, etc. etc. etc.
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Skeptical Greg said:
Thanks for the info..

I wasn't familiar with the term " apophenia " ..

Googled up an interesting article.. I'm sure there are many more..

Being Amused by Apophenia
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At a certain point NL, a person has to abandon reliance on his senses to understand that reality is more than the macroscopic, that there are things beyond that, the language of science that allows us to make accurate descriptions of phenomena which influence matter in the physical universe: reflections of our cognition that may be accurate, uniderinformed, or uniformed. Then, we re-test, to find out which and why.

Or, in other words, we **** up. Then refine.

I know what I saw isn't scientific, logical, or informative.
 
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dmaker said:
^^ Yes, further to what Resume is saying, is there any room for error in your mind? Is your conviction 100% based on your, I think it was a thermal image? Will you admit no margin for error in your current stance? Not asking for you to do anything that is not practical, like "unseeing", but simply admitting to yourself mostly, that perhaps you were wrong? None of us have access to a time machine so falsifying your anecdotal claim is impossible. It could only come from you. If you have barred your mind to any possibility that you were wrong, then I suspect you are in for a life time of disappointment in regards to this topic.
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I have intentionally not written extensively about my recent thermal sighting because I don't have anything more than my story, and it isn't evidence. But, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't good forum manners to make a fleeting reference and then not elaborate. Since this subject has turned more along the lines of what Resume has listed, I have decided to give a bit more detail and see if any of those items can be used to explain my sighting. Here are the highlights, and again, I realize this isn't evidence, just my story:

Friday, September 6, 2013, approximately 10:00 p.m. CDT. We were sitting around a camp fire in a very remote location in northern Minnesota with 4 adult males, 2 adult females and 2 teenage boys. We had been hearing stick snaps around the camp since sundown. I was handed a Flir thermal scope that had a recorder attached. I was told it was recording, so I walked out of camp alone down a trail approximately 150 feet to the west. All I could see in the scope was faint white images of the birch trees, and nothing else. After a few minutes of viewing the trail to the west, a bright white image appeared. It was sort of round shaped at the top and spread out below fading to black and was moving slowly to the north east.

I watched it move in the deep woods as it slowly approached our camp. The movement was very fluid, appearing to glide along. One of our campers was playing the flute as the others were talking. I could only see a rounded image and did not see any other distinct shape through the scope, but it was very clear and moving and a slow but steady pace. It would disappear behind the trees and reappear on the other side. I watched it for approximately five minutes and lost sight as it got very close to the camp. I decided to walk back to camp and take up another vantage point and see if I could find it again. I was not able to find it again, so I walked back to my original location.

After a few minutes, I was able to find it again close to our camp and it started moving back towards the west away from camp. It was moving slowly and again, I could only see a rounded image on top. It took a few minutes, but it went back to the spot where I first picked it up where it stopped moving. It stayed at the location for approximately 10 minutes where it just faded off and the screen went black.

The next morning, we downloaded the thermal files to find them empty. They didn't record anything, much to my frustration. We went into the woods and discovered a small trail which matched the path the image took that I viewed through the scope. I had one camper stand on the path as I went back to my original location and discovered I couldn't see him. There was a line of trees between me and him and he had to wave his shirt over his head so I could see it. We measured the line of trees and they topped out at 8 feet. The image I viewed was above the line of trees so we determined it to be approximately 9 feet tall.

So, to recap, I watched it for a total of approximately 15 minutes, it traveled a distance of approximately 100 yards to our camp and 100 yards back, and it was measured at approximately 9 feet tall.

So, based on this information and using the list provided by Resume, what are your thoughts?

Additionally, no one else saw it because I believed it was being recorded and didn't want to take my eye off it. No one knew where we were camping and we were on private land. There was a new moon that night, so it was very dark.

This isn't something I believe I saw, this was something I did see. There is no question in my mind and I am not lying. I have absolutely nothing to gain by providing these details and actually am expecting to be ridiculed, but I've said before that I'm a big boy and can take it. Fire away.
NL
 
Was this on a BFRO expedition like your last one? The BFRO hoaxes their customers.

There is most definitely not a 9ft tall Bigfoot walking around northern Minnesota, you can mark that explanation off immediately.
 
Northern Lights said:
So, based on this information and using the list provided by Resume, what are your thoughts?

Additionally, no one else saw

This isn't something I believe I saw, this was something I did see. There is no question in my mind and I am not lying. I have absolutely nothing to gain by providing these details and actually am expecting to be ridiculed, but I've said before that I'm a big boy and can take it. Fire away.
NL
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Resume said:
At a certain point NL, a person has to abandon reliance on his senses to understand that reality is more than the macroscopic, that there are things beyond that, the language of science that allows us to make accurate descriptions of phenomena which influence matter in the physical universe: reflections of our cognition that may be accurate, uniderinformed, or uniformed. Then, we re-test, to find out which and why.

Or, in other words, we **** up. Then refine.

I know what I saw isn't scientific, logical, or informative.
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To understand you might be incorrect, and to understand to what extent is at the crux of the scientific method; it is at the apogee of discovery and needs no embellishment.
 
Northern Lights said:
I have intentionally not written extensively about my recent thermal sighting because I don't have anything more than my story, and it isn't evidence. But, I've come to the conclusion that it isn't good forum manners to make a fleeting reference and then not elaborate. Since this subject has turned more along the lines of what Resume has listed, I have decided to give a bit more detail and see if any of those items can be used to explain my sighting. Here are the highlights, and again, I realize this isn't evidence, just my story:

Friday, September 6, 2013, approximately 10:00 p.m. CDT. We were sitting around a camp fire in a very remote location in northern Minnesota with 4 adult males, 2 adult females and 2 teenage boys. We had been hearing stick snaps around the camp since sundown. I was handed a Flir thermal scope that had a recorder attached. I was told it was recording, so I walked out of camp alone down a trail approximately 150 feet to the west. All I could see in the scope was faint white images of the birch trees, and nothing else. After a few minutes of viewing the trail to the west, a bright white image appeared. It was sort of round shaped at the top and spread out below fading to black and was moving slowly to the north east. Out of the 570,000 Minnesota licensed hunters annually (since 2000) I suppose none of them were able to be as lucky to get a shot on a bigfoot.

I watched it move in the deep woods as it slowly approached our camp. The movement was very fluid, appearing to glide along. One of our campers was playing the flute as the others were talking. I could only see a rounded image and did not see any other distinct shape through the scope, but it was very clear and moving and a slow but steady pace. It would disappear behind the trees and reappear on the other side. I watched it for approximately five minutes and lost sight as it got very close to the camp. I decided to walk back to camp and take up another vantage point and see if I could find it again. I was not able to find it again, so I walked back to my original location.

After a few minutes, I was able to find it again close to our camp and it started moving back towards the west away from camp. It was moving slowly and again, I could only see a rounded image on top. It took a few minutes, but it went back to the spot where I first picked it up where it stopped moving. It stayed at the location for approximately 10 minutes where it just faded off and the screen went black.

The next morning, we downloaded the thermal files to find them empty. They didn't record anything, much to my frustration. We went into the woods and discovered a small trail which matched the path the image took that I viewed through the scope. I had one camper stand on the path as I went back to my original location and discovered I couldn't see him. There was a line of trees between me and him and he had to wave his shirt over his head so I could see it. We measured the line of trees and they topped out at 8 feet. The image I viewed was above the line of trees so we determined it to be approximately 9 feet tall.

So, to recap, I watched it for a total of approximately 15 minutes, it traveled a distance of approximately 100 yards to our camp and 100 yards back, and it was measured at approximately 9 feet tall.

So, based on this information and using the list provided by Resume, what are your thoughts?

Additionally, no one else saw it because I believed it was being recorded and didn't want to take my eye off it. No one knew where we were camping and we were on private land. There was a new moon that night, so it was very dark.

This isn't something I believe I saw, this was something I did see. There is no question in my mind and I am not lying. I have absolutely nothing to gain by providing these details and actually am expecting to be ridiculed, but I've said before that I'm a big boy and can take it. Fire away.
NL
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No ridicule, just a dose of reality. You saw a round blob. You estimated it may have taken a path you saw the next day. (any tracks there from the alleged 9 foot beast?)

Why would you assume a round blob to be bigfoot? Are there any other scenarios you may want to consider? You guys were there looking for bigfoot? And you found it? (seems like a common theme, despite no one ever being able to shoot one, or photograph one clearly.)

Did you consider that perhaps that someone that gave you the thermal knew it wasn't recording? Could they could have walked through the woods having a nice little laugh at your expense. Also, there are many other things you may want to consider such as the natural fauna in the area. (such as moose, or elk) Seeing a blob (and not recording it) doesn't necessarily equate to bigfoot. There are many more likely explanations that would perfectly suit your described scenario.
 
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