Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[dmaker]

^^ @Nothern Lights: Cool story, bro.

Now, moving on to other things. NorthernLights, you said a little while back that you are a knower and nothing that can be said here could ever change your mind. Fair enough. Then just today you post that you came here "...to learn to look at what I do encounter from a different perspective." So I'm curious what sort of different perspective you seek? Do you not look at things you encounter from the perspective of a believer, since you are a devout one? Do you wish to be more skeptical with your perception, but only to a point since you cannot be convinced that Bigfoot is not real?

 

[HarryHenderson]

...but have spoken to lots of them and they all pretty much say they wouldn't pull the trigger because they are afraid of the hoax.

And curiously you don't seem pissed about it at all. 'The guy' never shoots because he's not confident enough to know the difference between a real beast and a hoax...YET...not only does that not sway you towards Bigfoot = hoax, but it in fact reinforces your dubious faith it really exists? You know they could have saved you and a bunch of other Bigfoot HallucinAgents™ an almost infinite amount of anguish and ridicule if one of 'em had bagged just one Bigfoot and shut us all up. Drats!

 

[MikeG]

I have seen an African Black-footed Cat in the wild, some 400 miles outside its known range. A good, long clear and close sighting (3 metres, for 5 minutes or more). This is a beast that is incredibly rarely seen in the wild. Now, the very first thing I did when I got home was to get in touch with some specialist zoologists, and the African Black-footed Cat society, and ask them if I could have been mistaken. I put my sighting to these folks, and to the local warden, and analysed everything they said to see whether I had mistaken it for another creature (an immature African Wild Cat was the main alternative cited).

Everything I heard simply confirmed that I had seen what I thought I had seen. However, if I hadn't gone through the rigour of that process, I might always have wondered if I had misled myself.

We may be witnessing someone's honest attempt at eliminating all possible alternative explanations for his experiences, and if this is so, I believe he should be tested, but congratulated for this approach. On the other hand, there is always the possibility that Northern Lights is just spreading a story, in which case, he is a brave chap for doing that here.

Mike

 

[tsig]

Ok, more stories, but I think it is relevant.

I have personally spoken to two hunters that have had squatches in their sights of their rifles. Neither pulled the trigger. One knew immediately it was a squatch and the other didn't figure it out until after watching it for about a minute.

The one that knew it was a squatch immediately didn't pull the trigger because he didn't know if he had enough gun to bring it down.
The other did think it could be a hoax for a brief moment and it was a factor in his initial decision to not shoot. Once he determined it wasn't a hoax, he watched it until it disappeared into the woods.

I'm not a hunter and wouldn't know the difference between a BB gun and a Howitzer, but have spoken to lots of them and they all pretty much say they wouldn't pull the trigger because they are afraid of the hoax.

A .22 will bring down a 1200 pound bull if you hit it right.

 

[William Parcher]

I'm looking at the latest bigfoot video...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new.../10211310/Hikers-capture-bigfoot-on-film.html

I'm wondering, ok, suppose someone killed this person with a rifle, sincerely expecting to come up with proof that bigfoot is real. What if any criminal charges would they face?

This has been asked many times before and the answer is that they would likely be charged with a form of homicide that is not murder with intent.

But the more interesting story is why there are now hundreds of fake Bigfoot videos out there (mostly YouTube) and really nobody getting shot while wearing the furry suit. The answer is that most Bigfoot hoaxers are going to control the situation so that they do not get shot. They are going to make certain that any witnesses cannot shoot them - with the most common being that the witnesses (with the camera) are accomplices and are part of the hoax. It's an easy mistake to think "Oh my goodness, the person with the camera could also have a gun and shoot the hoaxer dead." Well no, you see everybody there was a part of the hoax.

 

[William Parcher]

"What are my chances?" "Not good." "You mean 'not good' like one out of a hundred?" "I'd say more like one out of a million." "So you're telling me there's a chance. YEAH!"

A person on a BFRO outing has great odds, I would say. It's probably something like 1 in 20. I'm speculating that many many people have had "100% certain encounters and are now knowers" after BFRO outings. It's probably the most reliable way to encounter a Bigfoot.

Of course the big problem is that people select themselves to go on these outings and these people are already believers and are primed to see one or get close to one. Hoaxing is easy for the BFRO and encounters are easy for the attendees. There is a symbiosis for sure.

 

[Wolrab]

So, why are bigfoot or their footprints so damn hard to find?

Several reasons:
It is hard to turn around and look with those stompers on your feet.

It is hard to find the same spot in the woods you laid the tracks.

It is difficult to direct some poor sap to the spot you laid tracks down without giving away the hoax.

Bigfoot only goes where humans don't normally go so it is tough to get someone to see your tracks before they fade away.

I'm sure there are many more reasons.

 

[FFed]

I'm looking at the latest bigfoot video...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new.../10211310/Hikers-capture-bigfoot-on-film.html

I'm wondering, ok, suppose someone killed this person with a rifle, sincerely expecting to come up with proof that bigfoot is real. What if any criminal charges would they face?

The video was posted by a software company PlayMobility.
I would say that this is nothing but a hoax for advertising, and the media fell for it.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/30/large-hairy-biped-bigfoot-like-creature-captured-on-video-in-mission-b-c/

 

[ScottV]

What do people that believe in the existence of bigfoot say about why the animals or their sign are so difficult to find? If it's a real animal there should be lot of them or is it the most widespread rare animal in existence? when you start looking at population densities of other large animals; bears, tigers, apes, large hooved animals or whatever they are usually fairly abundant (e.g. grizzly bears 1-3 per 100 sq km, gorillas 15-40 per 100 sq km, okapi 45 per square km). If they are not abundant or super secretive, the reason for this is known (hunting/poaching/predation) and their presence is still not difficult to document.

 

[Jodie]

Why doesn't anyone ever walk over to where the thermal blob is?

 

[tsig]

A person on a BFRO outing has great odds, I would say. It's probably something like 1 in 20. I'm speculating that many many people have had "100% certain encounters and are now knowers" after BFRO outings. It's probably the most reliable way to encounter a Bigfoot.

Of course the big problem is that people select themselves to go on these outings and these people are already believers and are primed to see one or get close to one. Hoaxing is easy for the BFRO and encounters are easy for the attendees. There is a symbiosis for sure.

people who go on BFRO outings are like Catholics going to Fatima.

 

[Apology]

Why don't the Bigfoot hunters ever come armed with tranquilizer darts? A live Bigfoot would be an even bigger score than a dead one. It shouldn't be too hard to determine a dosage that would bring down a Bigfoot but be non-lethal to a human. If one used the dosage for a large human, it would probably slow Bigfoot down enough that the hunters could get close enough to get clear video and pictures, determine that it is Bigfoot and not a guy in a suit, and hit it with a second dart that would knock it out long enough to get it safely into confinement.

The reason is, the "hunters" know that it's a hoax because they're in on the scheme. They don't want to shoot tranquilizer darts at their buddies or have their associates caught while wearing the suit because it's bad for business.

 

[MikeG]

Why don't the Bigfoot hunters ever come armed with tranquilizer darts? A live Bigfoot would be an even bigger score than a dead one. It shouldn't be too hard to determine a dosage that would bring down a Bigfoot but be non-lethal to a human. If one used the dosage for a large human, it would probably slow Bigfoot down enough that the hunters could get close enough to get clear video and pictures, determine that it is Bigfoot and not a guy in a suit, and hit it with a second dart that would knock it out long enough to get it safely into confinement.

Have you ever been involved in darting an animal? It really isn't as simple as you are making out.

For a start, as soon as the dart hits, they take off running at top speed, and usually have at least 5 minutes before they start to slow down. Even a human can run an awful long way in 5 minutes at full speed. The big deal is to have enough people in the area to be able to track the creature, which usually goes into the thickest possible bush, and falls in the most awkward location. This takes a lot of preparation, which means that you have to be pretty certain you are going to spot the creature in the first place. You don't just happen across one and decide to stick a dart in it.

Besides, there are undoubtedly licence issues and the like. Only licensed vets etc are allowed to carry and use the kit, and they have to generally account for everything they do. I can just imagine the form they would fill in before going out to dart a sasquatch.......

Mike

 

[Apology]

Have you ever been involved in darting an animal? It really isn't as simple as you are making out.

For a start, as soon as the dart hits, they take off running at top speed, and usually have at least 5 minutes before they start to slow down. Even a human can run an awful long way in 5 minutes at full speed. The big deal is to have enough people in the area to be able to track the creature, which usually goes into the thickest possible bush, and falls in the most awkward location. This takes a lot of preparation, which means that you have to be pretty certain you are going to spot the creature in the first place. You don't just happen across one and decide to stick a dart in it.

Besides, there are undoubtedly licence issues and the like. Only licensed vets etc are allowed to carry and use the kit, and they have to generally account for everything they do. I can just imagine the form they would fill in before going out to dart a sasquatch.......

Mike

I'll concede the licensing point to you. However, organized Bigfoot hunters like the BFRO should have enough people to track a Bigfoot between darting it and its collapse, and of course every time they go out Bigfoot hunting, they're certain they're going to spot the creature. They bring huge groups of people out there and charge them money, it doesn't seem like it would be that big a deal to tell them "Hey we're going to dart Bigfoot, and you guys are going to help us track him, here's what you do."

No, I've never darted an animal and don't hunt, but animal control darts mountain lions and black bears in my area on a regular basis. I was aware that tranquilizer darts don't act instantly and that tranquilized animals tend to panic, react violently to being darted, run away like crazy, and try to hide before they collapse. There's usually extended video on the local news whenever a lion or a bear is removed from a suburban neighborhood.

Off-topic, but Black bears seem to enjoy jacuzzis a lot. Mountain lions are fond of household pets as snacks.

 

[Vermonter]

I thought I would throw this one into the mix for your listening pleasure:

http://sasquatchresearchers.org/march-2012-minnesota-howls/

If you don't want to listen to the entire 30+ minutes, then just scroll down to the 8:30 to 12 minute clip. Let me know your thoughts.

I'm listening to the first one. Egads, the sound quality is utterly atrocious. There's too much noise to make out anything useful. This is worse than an EVP.

I skipped to the one of interest, the 8:30-12:00 clip. Those are human howls. The last howl sounds nothing like what they're describing it to be. I'd like to hear the actual raw audio, but these howls are either added in later, or done with a bottle or jug to create an echo. Utter nonsense. This sounds like it's been altered. Either way, if there were half a dozen giant humanoids running around the woods, by now someone would have found a carcass. Unless this particular breed of Sasquatch or Bigfoot is invisible, covers tracks, and vaporizes into fairy dust when it dies.

 

[Resume]

Why doesn't anyone ever walk over to where the thermal blob is?

Because you'll run into the guy that's helping you hoax the thermal.

 

[Drewbot]

If you know there are Wood Apes in the valley of the Wood Apes, (AREA X), as members of the NAWAC have claimed, then it is a fairly simple matter of paying 5000 people $50.00 each to encircle the valley and walk toward the middle. Hell, you could probably get 5000 volunteers to do it. Have everyone bring their cell phone cameras too. Oh, and a few guns to shoot the things as they run out of avenues of escape. And have that blimp thing, with cameras flying over head.

Genghis Khan used to hunt this way. Except with bows and arrows, no helicopters, drones, or FLIR cameras, no cellphones to communicate or take photos. That was in like 1200AD. Very effective and perfected 813 years ago.

 

[Drewbot]

Because you'll run into the guy that's helping you hoax the thermal.

Not only this, you might run into a normal guy not hoaxing, taking a leak, or making out with a girl he shouldn't be making out with. Why cause all that controversy when you can just say "I just had a thermal, it was clearly a Bigfoot"?

Driving dirt roads early in the morning in N. Michigan I have seen Bigfoots. I could have stopped the car, and called the BFRO and reported a Bigfoot sighting. Problem is, I keep driving toward the Bigfoot, and it turns into an old dude in a parka with the hood pulled up, walking across the street to the mailbox.

 

[Resume]

What do people that believe in the existence of bigfoot say about why the animals or their sign are so difficult to find? If it's a real animal there should be lot of them or is it the most widespread rare animal in existence? when you start looking at population densities of other large animals; bears, tigers, apes, large hooved animals or whatever they are usually fairly abundant (e.g. grizzly bears 1-3 per 100 sq km, gorillas 15-40 per 100 sq km, okapi 45 per square km). If they are not abundant or super secretive, the reason for this is known (hunting/poaching/predation) and their presence is still not difficult to document.

They're really smart . . . and, and, and, they're really evasive. And they're really connected to their environment.

 

[Resume]

Not only this, you might run into a normal guy not hoaxing, taking a leak, or making out with a girl he shouldn't be making out with. Why cause all that controversy when you can just say "I just had a thermal, it was clearly a Bigfoot"?

Driving dirt roads early in the morning in N. Michigan I have seen Bigfoots. I could have stopped the car, and called the BFRO and reported a Bigfoot sighting. Problem is, I keep driving toward the Bigfoot, and it turns into an old dude in a parka with the hood pulled up, walking across the street to the mailbox.

And they shape-shift into old farts getting their mail.