Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[GT/CS]

So if he was trained beforehand, what was the point of your using this video to show that primates do odd things?

Chris, you just keep stepping in it. You're obviously not a chess player!

 

[Pterodactyl]

Yes I do. It's called don't feed the hoaxers. Chris B.

Standard habituator type troll material is what that is.

What sense does that excuse even make unless you believe all the other photos of BF tracks available online are hoaxed and only yours are the real deal? A hoaxer could easily just copy the style of one of Meldrum's casts if he wants to fool bigfooters. You claim to have clear tracks. Back up your claim.

 

[comncents]

[qimg]http://fw.ky.gov/Wildlife/PublishingImages/blackbeardistribution.jpg[/qimg]

Here's the range of Black Bears in KY.

I think Bigfoot creatures are omnivores but that is speculation only. I've seen evidence of them eating vegetation but I've not seen any evidence of them eating meat yet. I think with the calorie requirements being similar to a bear, surely they're omnivores IMO.

I have an idea of what they eat. I will not give up more than I already have previously as this is an open forum. Polk and pine bark.

They must eat, drink, relieve themselves, reproduce, get sick and die. It's only a matter of time. Unless they're dying out, population must increase. I personally don't think their numbers are getting fewer.
Chris B.

Sorry, I did not express that question very well. In a previous post you said "As an example I can point out Black Bears. They flourish in the Eastern part of the state but are not found in the Western regions. When you consider why that is then you'll understand why I reach my conclusions."

My question was meant for you to explain why there are no black bears in the western part of the state, instead of a vague statement. I want to understand why you reached your conclusions. I know that black bears thrive in the eastern mountains, just like where I live in Tennessee. There are also a few in the central plateau, but what is your explanation as to why they are not in the western low areas. You are saying that Bigfoot moves east and west seasonally for the same reason bears are only in the eastern mountains???

So other than pine bark, polk and all the fruit off a tree in one night, you don't want to talk about what they eat. You said your knowledge of what they eat enables you to determine where the most productive areas are.

I've been trying to have a reasonable discussion, so far pretty much everything you have mentioned has either been special pleading or "secret."

- they travel along creek beds and river banks, but they don't step in mud or soft soil.
- They show up "seasonally" but they don't migrate north and south.
- I know what they eat, but I can't tell anyone.
- they know what a game cam is.
- they stripped an entire fruit tree in one night, but it isn't worth putting a game cam up.

As an aside, I also looked for NA stories from the Shawnee tribe that refer to a bigfoot like creature. Alas, the Shawnee (the main tribe in Kentucky) don't seem to have any that I can find.

Long story short - any breeding population of animals that size would leave evidence of eating, pooping, travelling, reproducing and death. This would be hard evidence that would easily be evaluated by science. Bigfoot, as described by you, is not just an exception to one rule of nature, but to pretty much EVERY rule of nature.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, if we gave a bigfoot an empty rifle, and filmed him for long enough, we could make the same sort of video.

The gun firing is just special effects, as even a blank round would scare the daylights out of a monkey or a sasquatch.

Blanks won't cycle the action without a blank adapter anyway, and there's no need to take the risk of firing blank rounds.

That's all they did. Handed a trained monkey an empty AK-47 and a dull machete, and film for long enough to get enough clips to cut the trailer together. Then add the firing sounds and effects in the studio.

 

[Giordano]

Absolutely ridiculous comparison. Do you believe Bigfoot to be a hoax? Of course you do. If someone has a trackway of prints claimed to be made by a Bigfoot, is that trackway not evidence of something? Even if it's evidence of a hoax as you believe, the tracks are evidence are they not? Chris B.

I certainly believe that some Bigfoot evidence is an attempt at a hoax (this has been proven true if you look at the history). But I believe that a lot of it is simply a case of mistaken identity. I do not claim to know the percentage of each.

But why would you interpret my example as an accusation that all Bigfoot stories represent a hoax? I've stated before that IMHO many people who believe that they have seen evidence of Bigfoot are simply mistaken. My example was only to note that "evidence" broadly can mean any information cited in support of an argument. Even fraudulent evidence is evidence by this criteria. It is inaccurate, untruthful evidence, but evidence. My point was that it would still be "evidence" by the definition you have advocated, and as you expressly point out in your post above.

 

[Giordano]

One local man here got a game cam pic of Bigfoot not long ago. If it was real it seemed to suggest the creature was aware of the game camera. Chris B.

Was he posing for the camera, like a selfie? Or, more likely, was he trying to be inconspicuous, and thus largely hidden by brush and rocks, blurry, or nearly off the screen?

 

[carlitos]

LOL @ "creature." The woods are full of animals, but there is only one "creature" there.

 

[GT/CS]

Chris,
If we agree that this black blob is a real animal why do you think it is a bigfoot instead of a bear? It seems to have a long snout like a bear. Actually, it sort of looks like my dog, Max.
What did it do that made you think, "That's a bigfoot!"?

 

[Giordano]

I'm sure he was trained briefly. I don't think it required much work. Chimps are smart. The one with the machete though, needed more training IMO.
Chris B.

Couldn't you have figured out more from those videos: things like where the chimp was born, its favorite food, etc? You've been able to figure out a lot from small glimpses of Bigfoot and ghost hunters, and I thought a longer, much clearer video would have provided even more information.

 

[Monza]

One local man here got a game cam pic of Bigfoot not long ago. If it was real it seemed to suggest the creature was aware of the game camera. Chris B.

I don't know what this means. How can it be determined from the photo that the creature was aware of the camera? My first thought would be if he posed for a nice picture. But this should make it easier to get photos. If it tried to avoid the camera, it didn't work because you say that the camera caught it, and caught it well enough for one to determine it's a Bigfoot. So now I am picturing Bigfoot walking by the camera with his hand out to block the lens, much like a celebrity at the airport when confronted by paparazzi. Or maybe he was hiding his face under his jacket, like accused killers do when being escorted into the police station.

Anyway, can you post the picture you speak of? Let everyone make up their own mind.

 

[Cervelo]

Standard habituator type troll material is what that is.

What sense does that excuse even make unless you believe all the other photos of BF tracks available online are hoaxed and only yours are the real deal? A hoaxer could easily just copy the style of one of Meldrum's casts if he wants to fool bigfooters. You claim to have clear tracks. Back up your claim.

Yup same crap different day....Chris has nothing!

 

[William Parcher]

We were discussing why I thought there were no black bears in Western KY.
There aren't, aside from a possible stray or two. Chris B.

Are you creating a paradoxical scenario? You are proposing "one or two" animals straying outside of their designated range. Yet those animals do not prevent "one or two" more of those same species of animals from straying from their range, and so on... until hundreds or thousands are proposed to be outside of the range at which point the original range is no longer accurate? Therefore, no range map is accurate because there are so many individuals straying outside of the range?

Are the range-straying bears and cougars only to be found where you are located?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Sorry, I did not express that question very well. In a previous post you said "As an example I can point out Black Bears. They flourish in the Eastern part of the state but are not found in the Western regions. When you consider why that is then you'll understand why I reach my conclusions."

My question was meant for you to explain why there are no black bears in the western part of the state, instead of a vague statement. I want to understand why you reached your conclusions. I know that black bears thrive in the eastern mountains, just like where I live in Tennessee. There are also a few in the central plateau, but what is your explanation as to why they are not in the western low areas. You are saying that Bigfoot moves east and west seasonally for the same reason bears are only in the eastern mountains???

So other than pine bark, polk and all the fruit off a tree in one night, you don't want to talk about what they eat. You said your knowledge of what they eat enables you to determine where the most productive areas are.

I've been trying to have a reasonable discussion, so far pretty much everything you have mentioned has either been special pleading or "secret."

- they travel along creek beds and river banks, but they don't step in mud or soft soil.
- They show up "seasonally" but they don't migrate north and south.
- I know what they eat, but I can't tell anyone.
- they know what a game cam is.
- they stripped an entire fruit tree in one night, but it isn't worth putting a game cam up.

As an aside, I also looked for NA stories from the Shawnee tribe that refer to a bigfoot like creature. Alas, the Shawnee (the main tribe in Kentucky) don't seem to have any that I can find.

Long story short - any breeding population of animals that size would leave evidence of eating, pooping, travelling, reproducing and death. This would be hard evidence that would easily be evaluated by science. Bigfoot, as described by you, is not just an exception to one rule of nature, but to pretty much EVERY rule of nature.

First, I did not say Bigfoot moves East and West. I have no way of knowing that. Nor do I know if they move North or South as related to any sort of migration activity. What I said was they follow the Rivers and streams "I think" as some sort of ranging activity possibly looking for food. I could be wrong and it may have nothing to do with food. For all anyone knows they could be looking for a prom date.

The terrain in Western KY is not suitable for black Bear populations to thrive. They rely on heavily forested mountainous areas to provide a good food supply. Agriculture and the fairly level to gently rolling lowland features of the terrain in Western KY provide too much challenge for any animal unable to adapt.

-They travel rivers and creeks and sometimes they do step in mud.
-The highest number of sighting reports is seasonal.
-I've given that they eat polk and pine bark. Just because we are having a discussion does not mean everyone is privy to every detail of my study.
-They are thinking, reasoning beings. I'm sure they don't know what a game cam is or does, but I also believe they are aware that the cam is not a natural feature and therefore to be avoided.
-They stripped several fruit trees. Of course some sort of monitoring of the tree is warranted for next year's apple yield.

That is interesting that the Shawnee don't have any words for Bigfoot. Did you find the same for the Cherokee and Chickasaw tribes as well? All three seem to have been in KY at some point.

I agree there should be hard evidence gathered, somewhere. Just because we haven't found it yet, doesn't mean it never will be. Nature has a way of shocking the pants off everyone every now and then and some pretty odd things turn up. Unlikely for certain but not impossible and not against any rules of Nature.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Standard habituator type troll material is what that is.

What sense does that excuse even make unless you believe all the other photos of BF tracks available online are hoaxed and only yours are the real deal? A hoaxer could easily just copy the style of one of Meldrum's casts if he wants to fool bigfooters. You claim to have clear tracks. Back up your claim.

You mean let River get a good close look at a real track....No thanks.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Are you creating a paradoxical scenario? You are proposing "one or two" animals straying outside of their designated range. Yet those animals do not prevent "one or two" more of those same species of animals from straying from their range, and so on... until hundreds or thousands are proposed to be outside of the range at which point the original range is no longer accurate? Therefore, no range map is accurate because there are so many individuals straying outside of the range?

Are the range-straying bears and cougars only to be found where you are located?

So you are saying no Cougar ever strayed outside it's designated range?
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Couldn't you have figured out more from those videos: things like where the chimp was born, its favorite food, etc? You've been able to figure out a lot from small glimpses of Bigfoot and ghost hunters, and I thought a longer, much clearer video would have provided even more information.

No point in investing that much time for a Chimp video. Science already agrees that Chimps exist. Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I don't know what this means. How can it be determined from the photo that the creature was aware of the camera? My first thought would be if he posed for a nice picture. But this should make it easier to get photos. If it tried to avoid the camera, it didn't work because you say that the camera caught it, and caught it well enough for one to determine it's a Bigfoot. So now I am picturing Bigfoot walking by the camera with his hand out to block the lens, much like a celebrity at the airport when confronted by paparazzi. Or maybe he was hiding his face under his jacket, like accused killers do when being escorted into the police station.

Anyway, can you post the picture you speak of? Let everyone make up their own mind.

I'm sorry, I don't have a copy of their pic. It's on this video though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG35W6odgow
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Chris,
If we agree that this black blob is a real animal why do you think it is a bigfoot instead of a bear? It seems to have a long snout like a bear. Actually, it sort of looks like my dog, Max.
What did it do that made you think, "That's a bigfoot!"?

From the slow motion video there are a few reasons:
1.There's more than 1 creature in the video.
2.There is a long arm reaching over the shoulder and down the back of the large one.(Behind him and it's a lighter color with thin hair like a Chimpanzee's) There is a definite movement of that arm up and down the large one's back and shoulder.
3.To the lower left of the frame, an infant creature emerges just before the cam zooms back out.
4.The large creature looks back at the camera and away back up the hill. (His head moves as does his mouth)
5.I don't see a bear snout or bear ears anywhere. I see a protruding muzzle mouth similar to an orang and a sloping forehead similar to a Gorilla.
Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I certainly believe that some Bigfoot evidence is an attempt at a hoax (this has been proven true if you look at the history). But I believe that a lot of it is simply a case of mistaken identity. I do not claim to know the percentage of each.

But why would you interpret my example as an accusation that all Bigfoot stories represent a hoax? I've stated before that IMHO many people who believe that they have seen evidence of Bigfoot are simply mistaken. My example was only to note that "evidence" broadly can mean any information cited in support of an argument. Even fraudulent evidence is evidence by this criteria. It is inaccurate, untruthful evidence, but evidence. My point was that it would still be "evidence" by the definition you have advocated, and as you expressly point out in your post above.

We were talking about evidence. I consider tracks and trackways evidence. They are either evidence of Bigfoot, a mistaken identity, or a hoax. Just like your unicorn hair, the evidence can be evaluated by careful study and comparison with other similar evidence to determine where it fits in, either it's a real Bigfoot, a hoax or a mistaken ID.
Chris B.

 

[HarryHenderson]

I'm sorry, I don't have a copy of their pic. It's on this video though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG35W6odgow
Chris B.

Fred Flintstone™ probably has a more effective club for pounding this **** into everyone's head, but let's try it the diplomatic way first. Does everyone see what he's up to here? Firstly, he's not sorry. AND that's a 40 MINUTE video! Yet not a "check it out @ the 4:15 mark" or any commentary about it at all. Duper's Delight™. "Trudge through that you skeptidiots™!" He's just making you work for your disappointment. It's such a non-factor video he doesn't even have a still of it himself nor is he interested in defending his initial feeble attempt at introducing it without actually introducing it.