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Pics were made on March 6th and 7th, I don't think you're seeing any leaves as there were none yet.
Chris B.

I thought that you just posted that the photos were taken 45 minutes apart? If this is immediately before and after midnight, the sunlight is remarkable. This has become way too obvious.

Look at the branches in the front: one photo shows certain obvious branches and the other photo lacks these, but shows other branches. The angle or the time must be different. And you do not see the many blurry blobs that are present in the first photo outside of the "Bigfoot" image itself, but not in the other? And visa versa?

Your posts show a very strong "enthusiasm" for seeing Bigfoot. Great- you can get a nice camera with a great telephoto for only a modest amount of money. Take a convincing photo-don't spend your time arguing with me. I promise to be very humbled when you present convincing evidence. And I am certain that you can make back the camera money from the book and photo rights.
 
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It's called lying. Lots of that in this thread.

The type specimen from Gigantopithecus had the molar roots gnawed, presumably by porcupines, prior to fossilization. Chris interprets this as a Giganto body lying around, getting scavenged down to its bones, and then a porcupine moved in and ate all the bones except for its jaws and teeth. At some point, ol' porcy dragged ol' Giganto's skull into its cave where it was able to gnaw everything away but the enamel on the molars.

Problems -

1) No reason to suspect that the bones were intentionally gathered into the cave where then eaten by porcupines - more likely Giganto would die somewhere in the watershed, be stripped down to its molars, and said molars would be washed downstream to accumulate somewhere sediments had the chance to fall out of the water column (such as in a cave).

2) Far from being the reason we wouldn't expect to find bigfoot fossils, by Chris' own porcy-tail logic, the porcupines would be the only reason we'd have found Giganto teeth. If Chris is right, then bigfoot fossils should be as easy to find as Giganto fossils, but bigfoot is currently being shut out, 1100:0.

3) There are and were no porcupines in temperate east Asia or Siberia. I can't follow Chris' logic to determine if this means we should expect bigfoot fossils there or we shouldn't.
 
Perhaps there are Cougar hoaxers, stomping out Cougar tracks in these places.
Chris B.

Cougar tracks are real things and one of the easiest ways to confirm that there is a cougar about. The trouble is that your local salts of the earth seem to excel and sending in photos of Labrador prints that they think prove their claims of cougars.
 
...I myself posses DNA samples that are possibly collected from a Bigfoot but since I didn't actually see the creature leave the sample, it is still an unknown and therefore unworthy of testing at this time...
You could have Bigfoot DNA, but it's unworthy of testing? I could have argued you jumped the shark a long time ago, but now it's official, you've jumped the shark.

You don't have Bigfoot DNA, you're BLAARGing. And poorly.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
The Shrike said:
3)Bigfoots should have been known to ancient peoples on multiple continents and their parts should have played important roles in religion and mysticism, as other animals did/do.

Not only is there not a single piece of a bigfoot among cultural items of native North Americans, there are no such artifacts among ancient Asians, Europeans, or Australians. The simple fact that Tibetans saw fit to make a shrine to their "yeti" but forge an artifact of it from a takin skin illustrates two important things from the land where bigfoot mythology really got going in the 1950s: a) the ancient cultures would have worshiped such creatures and collected their body parts, and b) there were no such body parts for them to collect. We're now 3 for 3 on bigfoot fails.
Whoa Nellie. #3 actually argues FOR the presence of Bigfoot in North America. As there are literally bookoo references about creatures fitting the descriptions of Bigfoot in many Native American cultures. Certainly not all match the description of Bigfoot and some of those legends have been stretched to include Bigfoot even when the description is off by leaps and bounds, but there are some that match exactly without doubt.

I think you're taking a view of their beliefs a little far though to include collecting body parts for the sake of worship. I don't think hacking up the hairy man of the forest would have been considered "respectful". And with most of the American Indian legends of similar described creatures the "respect" for them part is usually outlined pretty well.
It's not about "hacking up" anything. Straw. The fact is not a single physical piece of anything Bigfooty has shown up in all this "respect" for same. The natives "respected" all of nature, bear, buffalo, deer, wolf, rabbit, but they still ate them and used them as a resource for most everything else. Forget a body, not a single dead Bigfoot body part, finger, arm, leg, foot, flap, scalp, bunion, bear kill, nothing, yet Bigfoot was "ubiquitous" amongst the native peoples, "well known" and so "respected" by them all. But not a single piece. It's beyond absurd.

Actually though, I'm just using this as an example to show Chris's insincerity in this discussion. See below.

...2. That's true, we have alot of caves here. Most of them contain Native American artifacts as well. That's a particular problem with doing a legal dig. Once you find Native American artifacts, everything grinds to a halt and now you'll find a new set of rules to go by. Illegal digs are another issue. I have no desire to spend jail time or absorb fines from an illegal dig. Some good well organized legal permitted digs would be the way to go.
Chris B.
You don't get embarrassed do you?! In the quotes I exampled above, The Shrike points out the reasoning for the expectation of "artifacts" in regards to physical matter related to Bigfoot (it's not just bones), and you answered him with some "legends and descriptions" tangent unrelated to the physical "artifacts" aspect he was addressing, which can only be because you were pretending to answer him. That's because in the quote directly above, you not only acknowledge that you know what "artifacts" means, you've apparently had some experience with them in the past in knowing how much pain such findings can potentially inflict on the progress of anything where digging occurs.

It's pretty simple, ChrisBFRPKY can't have an honest discussion here whenever it would make his case even more absurd. BLAARGing.

Hold your horses and your out of context attempt to swing this conversation elsewhere.

We were discussing the difference between Chinese "farmers" and North American "farmers" as related to motivation for finding "Dragon Bones"

The Chinese guys had motive as they were making money from the sale of these fossils to medicine shops. Our guys didn't have the same motivation.
Chris B.
Yes by all means, let's live in a vacuum. Chinese farmers really are the only ones with a need to excavate "fossils". Of course Chinese farmers don't know what a "fossil" is, but that's beside the point. And anyone else who looks for "fossils" is just screwing it up for Chinese farmers. They've got porcupines as pets when they live in caves(?) and have "apothecaries" to supply to "reap the rewards". Apparently Giganto Bigfoot is so clever, he's still got Chinese farmers from the 30's all confused, and they're all dead.

See if you get it this time: PALEONTOLOGY. Still no?

Sure you did. Also, my dad can totally beat up your dad. You're not even trying at this point, are you?
:biggrin: He's not.

Right because if farmers don't dig up bones to make folk remedies out of them, there is no science of paleontology and finding the fossil of a 10 foot tall monkey is just sooooo unreasonable.

Your BLAARGing needs an expansion pack.
:biggrin: So funny.
 
You made that up. You can't back this statement up, Chris, so please retract it.

"The dirt on the teeth, and the fact that their roots had been gnawed by porcupines, indicated they had come from cave deposits."

http://www.macroevolution.net/gigantopithecus.html#.VOuhvXzF-So


"This Pleistocene assemblage differs from the
Pliocene material not only in the species represented,
but also in their peculiar state of preservation.
Generally, all bony parts, including the
roots of the teeth, had been gnawed by porcupines,
so that only the crowns remained."

http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspa...d=D9E7DD3EF7BFC8930AEE191A16FD4F27?sequence=1

And page 39 and 40 here are also good examples:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Q...=onepage&q=gigantopithecus porcupines&f=false

Chris B.
 
"The dirt on the teeth, and the fact that their roots had been gnawed by porcupines, indicated they had come from cave deposits."

http://www.macroevolution.net/gigantopithecus.html#.VOuhvXzF-So


"This Pleistocene assemblage differs from the
Pliocene material not only in the species represented,
but also in their peculiar state of preservation.
Generally, all bony parts, including the
roots of the teeth, had been gnawed by porcupines,
so that only the crowns remained."

http://digitallibrary.amnh.org/dspa...d=D9E7DD3EF7BFC8930AEE191A16FD4F27?sequence=1

And page 39 and 40 here are also good examples:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Q...=onepage&q=gigantopithecus porcupines&f=false

Chris B.

Where does it say, as you claimed, that porcupines ate all the bones?
 
You could have Bigfoot DNA, but it's unworthy of testing? I could have argued you jumped the shark a long time ago, but now it's official, you've jumped the shark.

You don't have Bigfoot DNA, you're BLAARGing. And poorly.

I have a saliva sample that will contain good DNA I have retrieved. Since I did not witness what left the sample it's likely to be anything. I certainly won't be admitting it for testing at this time. I may later.

It's not about "hacking up" anything. Straw. The fact is not a single physical piece of anything Bigfooty has shown up in all this "respect" for same. The natives "respected" all of nature, bear, buffalo, deer, wolf, rabbit, but they still ate them and used them as a resource for most everything else. Forget a body, not a single dead Bigfoot body part, finger, arm, leg, foot, flap, scalp, bunion, bear kill, nothing, yet Bigfoot was "ubiquitous" amongst the native peoples, "well known" and so "respected" by them all. But not a single piece. It's beyond absurd.
Yep, the Native Americans didn't seem to worship pieces of Bigfoot. And that means what exactly? They did draw a few pics and some also seemed to like making masks etc.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XIrV6iMlPT0/UHhMTRvLlqI/AAAAAAAAAzg/8KUOxy52fCI/s320/bigfoot+mask.jpg

Absurd? Only for those uneducated on the subject.

Actually though, I'm just using this as an example to show Chris's insincerity in this discussion. See below.


You don't get embarrassed do you?! In the quotes I exampled above, The Shrike points out the reasoning for the expectation of "artifacts" in regards to physical matter related to Bigfoot (it's not just bones), and you answered him with some "legends and descriptions" tangent unrelated to the physical "artifacts" aspect he was addressing, which can only be because you were pretending to answer him. That's because in the quote directly above, you not only acknowledge that you know what "artifacts" means, you've apparently had some experience with them in the past in knowing how much pain such findings can potentially inflict on the progress of anything where digging occurs.

It's pretty simple, ChrisBFRPKY can't have an honest discussion here whenever it would make his case even more absurd. BLAARGing.
I think I answer this one above. See the mask. Mask = artifact, see the definition you yourself posted. Learning is fun, having fun yet?

Artifact: an object made by a human being, typically an item of cultural or historical interest.
Tada!

Yes by all means, let's live in a vacuum. Chinese farmers really are the only ones with a need to excavate "fossils". Of course Chinese farmers don't know what a "fossil" is, but that's beside the point. And anyone else who looks for "fossils" is just screwing it up for Chinese farmers. They've got porcupines as pets when they live in caves(?) and have "apothecaries" to supply to "reap the rewards". Apparently Giganto Bigfoot is so clever, he's still got Chinese farmers from the 30's all confused, and they're all dead.

See if you get it this time: PALEONTOLOGY. Still no?

Didn't you follow the discussion we were having about Chinese farmers, North American farmers, Giganto, porcupines, dragon bones, motives for looking for them etc. You'll need to review with some context this time.

You're not having much success quoting definitions at me. Thanks though, some actually help present my argument better. Chris B.
 
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I thought that you just posted that the photos were taken 45 minutes apart? If this is immediately before and after midnight, the sunlight is remarkable. This has become way too obvious.

Look at the branches in the front: one photo shows certain obvious branches and the other photo lacks these, but shows other branches. The angle or the time must be different. And you do not see the many blurry blobs that are present in the first photo outside of the "Bigfoot" image itself, but not in the other? And visa versa?

Your posts show a very strong "enthusiasm" for seeing Bigfoot. Great- you can get a nice camera with a great telephoto for only a modest amount of money. Take a convincing photo-don't spend your time arguing with me. I promise to be very humbled when you present convincing evidence. And I am certain that you can make back the camera money from the book and photo rights.

The first pic was taken on March 6th and the return pic was made on March 7th. The time of day was within 45 minutes of each other. I don't know what you're looking at to determine before or after midnight? Possibly the properties from cropping the pics? I dunno. I don't remember when I cropped those 2 images.

Either way, the pics are not evidence of Bigfoot. I know they're terrible and I've conceded that fact many times here. All I can do is try to do better next time. Chris B.
 
One thing Id like to see with these Native American masks people are always trying to pawn off as bigfoot is one that actually looks something like a bigfoot. The linked mask looks more like Sting from the WCW.
 

Well, thanks for that random bunch links, but none of the masks or caricatures you've presented even look like one another, let alone consistent with what people claim a bigfoot looks like. The one that looked somewhat close in the second link had a giant set of ears. Dont remember seeing those on Patty.

Look, I'm still somewhat open to the idea that Bf/Sasquatch to some extent stems from Indian lore, but I really haven't seen much convincing evidence of this at all. I'd like to read Mrs. Strain's book, but cheapest I can find used is like $40.

Anyway, if that's the best evidence that exists showing the natives were familiar with BF, then I'm underwhelmed. Not surprised though.
 
Yep, the Native Americans didn't seem to worship pieces of Bigfoot. And that means what exactly?
It rather strongly suggests that there's no such thing as bigfoot. That's why I brought it up. Even among people who claimed that they did worship their bigfoot (yeti) and did keep its precious relics enshrined, said relics are proven forgeries.

They did draw a few pics and some also seemed to like making masks etc.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XIrV6iMlPT0/UHhMTRvLlqI/AAAAAAAAAzg/8KUOxy52fCI/s320/bigfoot+mask.jpg

Absurd? Only for those uneducated on the subject.
So the bigfoots you've seen Chris, did they look like the face in that mask? Did they have long hair? Bright red lips? Come to think of it, what do you know about that mask? How old is it and what is its provenance? How do we know it's not a recent carving meant to profit from bigfoot mythology rather than an actual artifact of that mythology?

Is the thinking here that people only create realism in art? If so, I've got some questions about . . .

this

this

this

and this.


As you can see, the point of artifacts with the ability to make the case for bigfoot is not whether we can apply our preconceptions to a drawing, mask, etc. and say "Hey, that face looks vaguely apelike" or " . . . just like a Gray alien" or whatever. The key would be to examine the materials from which such artifacts are made.

For example, here is Osage chief Shinga-Wassa wearing a headdress adorned with Ivory-billed Woodpecker bills (sometimes traded for 2–3 buckskins each).

grizzly claw necklace.

abalone earrings

golden eagle tail feathers
 
The first pic was taken on March 6th and the return pic was made on March 7th. The time of day was within 45 minutes of each other. I don't know what you're looking at to determine before or after midnight? Possibly the properties from cropping the pics? I dunno. I don't remember when I cropped those 2 images.

I was trying to reconcile your statements that they were taken with a "45 minutes difference in time" and yet on different days. That would only work literally if they were taken on different sides of the midnight between the two days. Now you are explaining that they were taken at 45 minute differences as to time of day, but on different days (which is odd given that your original 45 minute difference in time response was to my inquiry if they were taken a lot of time apart).

You haven't bothered to respond to the part of my post that asked how, if these two photos are from exactly the same angle and only two days apart, the branches in the front of one are different from the branches in the front of the other. Or why there are blobby-objects in either of the two that are not present in the other of the two, yet are not the Bigfoot portion of the photo.

I was willing to accept your argument that you no longer see these photos as evidence of Bigfoot, and that it was others here, not you, who introduced them into the discussion. Yet, here you are, citing these very photos as evidence of a Bigfoot (or are you going to claim that when you asked me what is obscuring the tree fork in the first photo, you really intended me to say "a T. rex?".
 
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