Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It does matter.
Chris posted a link to a website, with a comment that Cougars are alive and well, and that it is supported by Wildlife officials. The link says nothing of the sort.

This is a problem to most rational people. To Bigfooters evidently, they can just put up a random link, with no relation to the comment made, and are fine with that.

Was Chris hoping noone would read the link? Did he think we'd say "OH COUGARS LIVE IN MAMMOTH CAVE NP, AND HE PROVIDED A LINK, I GUESS I'LL TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD..."

My post said nothing of the sort. It was a link to cryptomundo regarding the Mammoth Cave mystery cats.

I did not say it was supported by Wildlife officials at any point. It is common knowledge among locals. If local sightings are not acceptable there are also sightings of the cats made by Government employees as evidenced in the link I suppose you could say the warning to the public was "official" though since it appeared in the local news paper.

You Sir have misspoken and misrepresented what I said. Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

A little closer study on Mammoth Cave and Mountain Lions would reveal those biologists were indeed slacking in their duties. As it's common knowledge Cougars are alive and well there and in the surrounding areas. I guess the locals don't count? Well how about Government employees?:

http://cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cave-cougars/

Chris B.

Chris, there could be cougars in Mammoth Cave NP.

The problem is that you said the Cryptomundo link would provide a government official confirming such a statement. It did not.

There could be wandering Male Cougars anywhere pretty much, we have found them in NH, Michigan, Ontario.

There is a reason they aren't listed on the MCNP mammal list however, it is that they don't have evidence of a breeding population.

There's my quote up there. I don't see anything of the sort. The only thing the link provided is the article that appeared in our local paper that mentioned some employees had reported sighting Cougars as well. And the write up about it on Cryptomundo of course.

Again, the locals here know there are big cats there and in the surrounding areas. We don't know how they came to be there or if there's a breeding population of not but they're definitely there.

Patrick Reed was concerned about it enough to put a notice about the cats in the paper. I know why he did that too. One of the sightings happened in the parking lot at the main entrance of the Cave by a senior employee.
Chris B.

 

[Drewbot]

You said 'Well how about government employees?:' INSERTED LINK HERE

That implies that the link has governement employees confirming cougars living in KY, which the link does not do.

 

[dmaker]

Chris, what was your intent when you pointed out that government employees claim cougar sightings?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Patrick Reed was concerned about it enough to put a notice about the cats in the paper.

Was he concerned about it enough to put a notice about giant ninja 10 foot tall bipedal apes in the paper? If not we might as well be discussing the price of tea in China for all it has to do with the topic.

The comparison you are trying to shove on the discussion is laughable. Yes the range of an established species that actually exists is a variable and a matter of debate and cases of outliner example of the species being discovered outside, sometimes far outside, their generally known ranges complicates that even further and is a genuine problem for ecologist and other naturalist scientists.

None of which has the shine of Shinola to do with Figboots.

So basically

Figboots exist.

- There's no fossil evidence of a large bipedal ape on the North American Continent.

Well Gigantos...

- No fossil records of Gigantopithicus has been found in North America...

Well sometimes animals are found far outside their ranges, look here's a cougar in a cave..

So cougar in a cave, therefore Giganto in N. America, therefore Figboots.

When you have to nest your special pleadings to justify another special pleading you don't have a strong argument.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Chris, what was your intent when you pointed out that government employees claim cougar sightings?

Cougar found outside predicated range.
Therefore Giganto could exist outside the range suggested by it's fossils.
Therefore Gigantos fossils could be Figboot fossils.
Therefore Figboot alive today.

It's a new technique I'm calling "Specialpleaception."

 

[Giordano]

My uncle's find was called in and investigated to determine if it was a murder victim. It was a big deal at the time. As it turned out, it was found to be Native American remains and alot older than first thought. Pretty cool though, it had evidence of brain surgery being performed and the Native American had lived long enough after the surgery there was evidence of healing. The skeleton was pretty big, but not Bigfoot. I guess it's taking up space in some university drawer now, or been returned to tribal leaders. There was a big stink about NA bones in collections at one time. I liked exploring caves when I was younger too, never found anything that cool though.
Chris B.

Exactly- this confirms that even old skeletons can be easily found by exploration of caves, and that such a find is rapidly investigated by the authorities. Proven in this case to be Native American.

Given the context of your post I assumed that you were referring to a Bigfoot find. But as you now state this was not a Bigfoot find, it only demonstrates that human, and therefore humanoid, skeletons can indeed be found if they are in caves. Think the number of human skeletons that must have been found in caves if someone you are related to, your own uncle, was involved in such an event! And yet, no such Bigfoot skeleton has been found thus far. Have you considered that the easiest explanation is that Bigfoot doesn't exist?

 

[Giordano]

Well, since the pic on the right shows a tree with a prominent fork center pic and the pic on the left shows that prominent fork blocked by something in front of it. I don't think I have any problem identifying trees or objects in front of them. Chris B.

Look at the precise angles of the two different photos; they either differ or the photos were taken quite a period of time apart (look at the twigs in front). And note the dark green, blurry leaf-like shapes of the something that blocks the fork in one of them. These are hints as to an alternative, much more likely explanation.

 

[carlitos]

Pathological liars exist, that's for sure.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

You said 'Well how about government employees?:' INSERTED LINK HERE

That implies that the link has governement employees confirming cougars living in KY, which the link does not do.

Sightings. Made by locals AND Government employees. The link certainly points this out. I think if you ask any of the witnesses they'll confirm there are Cougars there. Do sightings confirm the presence of these cats? I guess that's a matter of opinion. You can choose to believe that every sighting was either mistaken identity or a lie. Just like Bigfoot. So if you happen to run across one there, I guess you could tell it "You're not confirmed" and see if it goes away? It may well eat you, confirmed or not. I guess that'd do it though as far as a confirmation.

Chris, what was your intent when you pointed out that government employees claim cougar sightings?

Just as I posted, if the locals don't count how about Government employees. Why would they lie? No benefit in doing so. If there is nothing to it, then why did they run a press release in the paper? Detailed instructions about what to do if confronted by a Cougar. Kinda odd to do so if they really didn't have good reason to believe something was there. Chris B.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Look at the precise angles of the two different photos; they either differ or the photos were taken quite a period of time apart (look at the twigs in front). And note the dark green, blurry leaf-like shapes of the something that blocks the fork in one of them. These are hints as to an alternative, much more likely explanation.

Zoom out and look again. 45 minutes difference in time. Where's the fork?
Chris B.

 

[The Shrike]

There's another thread about cougars, and there you'll find reference to the fact that local folks all over eastern North America claim local cougars to be common knowledge. I'm yet to live somewhere local people don't think there are cougars visiting Uncle Larry's farm up the road.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

There's another thread about cougars, and there you'll find reference to the fact that local folks all over eastern North America claim local cougars to be common knowledge. I'm yet to live somewhere local people don't think there are cougars visiting Uncle Larry's farm up the road.

Perhaps there are Cougar hoaxers, stomping out Cougar tracks in these places.
Chris B.

 

[Giordano]

Zoom out and look again. 45 minutes difference in time. Where's the fork?
Chris B.

Behind the leaves would be my interpretation If the photos present exactly the same angle and are only 45 minutes apart, why don't we see the same twigs and branches in front?

Why does the shape that hides the fork on the left look so much like a dark green, blurred cluster of leaves, and not like a primate?

 

[carlitos]

Why indulge him, at this point, other than reverse BLAARGIng or whatever? Just call out his lies and be done with it.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

This is growing tiresome Chris. Figboot cannot behave exactly like every other animal... right up until the point where he doesn't because you need an excuse as to why there's zero evidence.

So Figboot dies, rots, leaves bones and so forth like very other mammal right up until the point where "Somebody finds one" and then out comes the porcupines.

You're trying to have your 10 foot tall bipedal ape and eat it too.

It certainly seems odd that porcupines ate all the Giganto bones, but that's the way it's been figured by science. Science, determined that, not Bigfooters. You know of any evidence for a complete Giganto skeleton being found? Just one? The only reason we know Giganto ever existed at all is because in total we have 3 jaw bones and a bunch of teeth. The lack of fossil evidence for Bigfoot is not surprising. Chris B.

 

[MikeG]

It certainly seems odd that porcupines ate all the Giganto bones, but that's the way it's been figured by science. Science, determined that, not Bigfooters. You know of any evidence for a complete Giganto skeleton being found? Just one? The only reason we know Giganto ever existed at all is because in total we have 3 jaw bones and a bunch of teeth. The lack of fossil evidence for Bigfoot is not surprising. Chris B.

You made that up. You can't back this statement up, Chris, so please retract it.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Behind the leaves would be my interpretation If the photos present exactly the same angle and are only 45 minutes apart, why don't we see the same twigs and branches in front?

Why does the shape that hides the fork on the left look so much like a dark green, blurred cluster of leaves, and not like a primate?

Pics were made on March 6th and 7th, I don't think you're seeing any leaves as there were none yet.
Chris B.

 

[JoeMorgue]

It certainly seems odd that porcupines ate all the Giganto bones, but that's the way it's been figured by science. Science, determined that, not Bigfooters. You know of any evidence for a complete Giganto skeleton being found? Just one? The only reason we know Giganto ever existed at all is because in total we have 3 jaw bones and a bunch of teeth. The lack of fossil evidence for Bigfoot is not surprising. Chris B.

Seriously Chris you need to tattoo the definition of "Special Pleading" backwards on your forehead so you're reminded of it every time you look in the mirror.

"Well we only have scant fossil evidence of this creature, therefore this creature with zero fossil evidence has to exist!"

 

[carlitos]

You made that up. You can't back this statement up, Chris, so please retract it.

It's called lying. Lots of that in this thread.