Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

I don't think he lost control.

I don't know the man. I've never met him. I'll never meet him. I haven't even seen his picture. Therefore, everything I say could be utterly wrong. However, the two questions he asked before going after Nassar are not the sort of questions asked by someone out of control.


I could be wrong. Any of us could be wrong.
Indeed. He made what was essentially an insolent request for the court to permit him to do violence to Nassar and then followed up by attempting to do violence to him. Most places, they'd call that sort of thing "malice aforethought."
 
I don't think you understand a *********** thing. He (the father) lost control. I can easily imagine doing so myself. No one NO ONE here is "excusing violent behavior." They are being empathetic, rather than some black and white interpretation of social justice.

"Rule of the mob?" The irony is thick.

100% agree. I think he shows all the signs of someone whose rage is building as he comes to grips with the reality of what this worthless scumbucket did to his daughters, and how he failed in his parental duty to protect them.

Of course you have to keep in mind that SJW's live in a fantasy binary world where everything is black and white, right and wrong, good and evil and there is no such thing as empathy, context, nuance or extenuating circumstances.

A bunch of sad-arse bastards IMO
 
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Hating violence and wanting the violent to be punished is all it takes to be an SJW now? You ought to be careful about making the term more useless and hackneyed than it is already.
 
Hating violence and wanting the violent to be punished is all it takes to be an SJW now? You ought to be careful about making the term more useless and hackneyed than it is already.

You are equating what the father did with what Nassar did.. you fail to understand context.

If you aren't, then you are making a splendid job of making it look like you are!
 
100% agree. I think he shows all the signs of someone whose rage is building as he comes to grips with the reality of what this worthless scumbucket did to his daughters, and how he failed in his parental duty to protect them.

Of course you have to keep in mind that SJW's live in a fantasy binary world where everything is black and white, right and wrong, good and evil and there is no such thing as empathy, context, nuance or extenuating circumstances.

A bunch of sad-arse bastards IMO

Hmmm. I'm not absolutely certain, but I think smartcooky just called me an SJW. It's not a category I'm usually include in. "Sad-arse bastard", though, is probably appropriate.

Be that as it may, that's not what I'm here for. I think that you, smartcooky, are guilty of the black and white, binary, reasoning that you are accusing SJWs of practicing. On the one side is Larry Nassar. He is evil. Therefore, everything he does is evil, and everyone who opposes him is good. His victims are certainly good, as is anyone who sympathizes with the victims. Those who question the motives or purity of the victims, though, must be on the evil side. At least, that's the impression I get from your recent posts.

I don't see things as quite so binary. Larry Nassar had literally hundreds of victims. That is not the record of one evil man. That's the record of a man who is allowed to practice his evil in the midst of people who are good, but naïve, and some people who are themselves evil, but perhaps to a lesser extent, and a lot of people who did not intend to do evil, but did it anyway.

The old saying says that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. In our secular world, that saying is often misunderstood, because people don't really believe in Hell. They tend to think of "Hell" in the saying as "something bad happened." However, the point of the saying was not just that bad things might happen when you try to do good. It was that you could end up committing sin, i.e. genuine evil, by wanting a desirable outcome so much that you do the wrong thing, by which I mean the morally wrong thing, not just a mistake, in pursuit of that worthy goal.

Before this all shakes out, I think that there will be people in that category found guilty in civil court, and perhaps a few even in criminal court. These were people who had a specific, legal, responsibility to protect children in their care, and instead allowed Nassar unfettered access to his victims.

I think there's another set of people who enabled Nassar. These are the ones who refused to hear what the victims told them. The ones that were so driven by the pursuit of success that they refused to see what was in front of their faces. Those people are the ones who took the road paved with good intentions.

In "The Emperor's New Clothes", the tailors were certainly evil, but another set of "bad guys" in that story can be found in the crowd, who refused to step forward for fear of being called fools.

So, to get back to the original point, no, I do not see a black and white situation here. I see lots of room for fault that goes well beyond Larry Nassar, with some being stained to a lesser or greater degree.
 
The doc molested as many as 40 girls while the FBI was investigating him. He apparently videoed his "treatments."
For more than a year, an F.B.I. inquiry into allegations that Lawrence G. Nassar, a respected sports doctor, had molested three elite teenage gymnasts followed a plodding pace as it moved back and forth among agents in three cities. The accumulating information included instructional videos of the doctor’s unusual treatment methods, showing his ungloved hands working about the private areas of girls lying facedown on tables.

But as the inquiry moved with little evident urgency, a cost was being paid. The New York Times has identified at least 40 girls and women who say that Dr. Nassar molested them between July 2015, when he first fell under F.B.I. scrutiny, and September 2016, when he was exposed by an Indianapolis Star investigation. Some are among the youngest of the now-convicted predator’s many accusers — 265, and counting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/sports/nassar-fbi.html
 
Another USA figure skating sexual conduct scandal. A coach named Richard Callaghan has been accused and now suspended. This one is male on male.
 
Anecdote: I communicated for a while with a man via a sexual abuse support group who is a Russian Olympic figure skater. I'm not going to mention his name here; but several years ago the situation he described is that boys who enter the Olympic figure skating program are molested almost without exception, by one of the national coaches.

It's been several years since he explained all this and things may have changed; but essentially the issue as he explained it is, Olympic coaches with winning records are national heroes in Russia, just as much as the athletes themselves. So the problem coach had at one point been publicly accused by a skater without much recognition, and the result was that the public and press (such press as was given to the accusation) rallied behind the accused coach and the accuser was attacked, accused of being "gay" and shamed out of the sport. The man relating this said that all of the athletes saw this happen and learned to keep their mouths shut about what was going on.
 
There can be more than one bad guy, and more than one sort of victim, and the two categories can overlap.

Larry Nassar was enabled by a community of lots of sorts of people. For my part, I'm trying to understand how such a man could continue what he did for so long with so many people knowing a great deal about what he was doing.

Cowards, ********, etc. pick any...........
 
I can relate to what the father did. He may have appeared calm asking those questions but the rage was boiling inside, obviously. I don't know that I wouldn't do the same thing.

He didn't hit anybody did he? Looks like he was stopped before he reached Nassar. He probably knew he'd be stopped and wanted to be.

Anybody judging the father as a person based on this single act is a clueless idiot. I can't imagine a more stressful circumstance. Emotions happen in humans, it's okay to recognize that.
 

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