Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

Yeah the father of 3 victims of the serial rapists is absolutely the bad guy in all this.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah the father of 3 victims of the serial rapists is absolutely the bad guy in all this.
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Of course... any father who would want to beat up the scumbag who molested his girls is automatically a bad father... I guess that makes me one too, and if so, I will wear that badge with pride.
 
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Except for the fact that it is not evidence of anything that might have happened at home.

If you think otherwise, connect the dots for us!
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Angry people willing to commit violent acts in public are just as likely to commit violent acts in private.

Just because you might think that his excuse in this case is a good one doesn't mean he hasn't used a dozen lousy excuses to rationalize violence at other times.
 
Jeez in another page the father is going to be the rapist, he framed the coach, murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, kidnapped the Lindberg baby, and framed Amanda Knox.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah the father of 3 victims of the serial rapists is absolutely the bad guy in all this.
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There can be more than one bad guy, and more than one sort of victim, and the two categories can overlap.

Larry Nassar was enabled by a community of lots of sorts of people. For my part, I'm trying to understand how such a man could continue what he did for so long with so many people knowing a great deal about what he was doing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jeez in another page the father is going to be the rapist, he framed the coach, murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, kidnapped the Lindberg baby, and framed Amanda Knox.
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Are we supposed to forgive violence because some ******* has what he thinks is a good reason for it?

Anybody who attempts violence in a courtroom should spend a month or two in jail. It's an example of a situation where should actually be a "zero tolerance" policy.
 
Babbylonian said:
Angry people willing to commit violent acts in public are just as likely to commit violent acts in private.

Just because you might think that his excuse in this case is a good one doesn't mean he hasn't used a dozen lousy excuses to rationalize violence at other times.
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This logic works in the reverse, also. Just because he exhibited violent behavior doesn't automatically mean he is a violent person for 99% of his life.

I mean, really- judging a person under extreme emotional and psychological duress isn't indicative of them in whole.
 
Babbylonian said:
Are we supposed to forgive violence because some ******* has what he thinks is a good reason for it?
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There's a big difference between "Forgiving it" and painting an elaborate psychological profile of the man where he's a violent at home and has a total disregard for the law.

I already said the man should be some degree of legally culpable. I'm just not interested in joining the oneupmanship game of how much of a bad person this guy is we can extrapolate from this one, rather extreme situation.

I just find it weird that so many people are seemingly wanting to spit more bile and vitriol at this man than the actual rapist. You legit seem more angry at him than Larry Nassar. As you there's no words you've spoken about Larry Nassar in this thread that got tagged by the autocensor.
 
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I have zero tolerance for the concept of "zero tolerance." It's a ridiculous idea that the conservative right-wing usually espouses. 8 billion people on the planet; asking them to be robots to your ideals is naive.
 
Babbylonian said:
Angry people willing to commit violent acts in public are just as likely to commit violent acts in private.

Just because you might think that his excuse in this case is a good one doesn't mean he hasn't used a dozen lousy excuses to rationalize violence at other times.
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Agreed. But, of course, we don't really know any of this. It's highly speculative.

In my opinion, though, I don't even see violence as such. I don't see a "crime of passion". I don't see a man overcome with rage at the man who hurt the ones he loved. The attack could be explained that way, but the questions that preceded the attack cannot.

All right. I know I'm the one who opened that whole can of worms, and I don't exactly regret it, but my previous posts about the father have an air of certainty about them that wasn't intended. I don't know enough about him to say much about him. Is this such an extreme situation that his behavior was completely out of character? It could be.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I just find it weird that so many people are seemingly wanting to spit more bile and vitriol at this man than the actual rapist. You legit seem more angry at him than Larry Nassar. As you there's no words you've spoken about Larry Nassar in this thread that got tagged by the autocensor.
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What's the point of getting angry at someone who's already going to spend the rest of his life in prison? Justice has been served, albeit obviously far later than it should have been.

I do get angry when justice isn't served, and it's definitely not served by going easy on ******** who attempt violence in a courtroom. I don't look for, or care about, excuses for violence unless said violence is committed in defense of self or others.
 
Babbylonian said:
What's the point of getting angry at someone who's already going to spend the rest of his life in prison? Justice has been served, albeit obviously far later than it should have been.

I do get angry when justice isn't served, and it's definitely not served by going easy on ******** who attempt violence in a courtroom. I don't look for, or care about, excuses for violence unless said violence is committed in defense of self or others.
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Right. Because that's what we all lay awake at night scared of, the fathers of multiple rape victims. I mean who among us hasn't found ourselves in court for multiple rapes and assaulted by the father of three of our victims? It's an epidemic.

If this is a hill you really want to defend so be it, but you have to understand how weird this seems to the rest of us.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Right. Because that's what we all lay awake at night scared of, the fathers of multiple rape victims. I mean who among us hasn't found ourselves in court for multiple rapes and assaulted by the father of three of our victims? It's an epidemic.

If this is a hill you really want to defend so be it, but you have to understand how weird this seems to the rest of us.
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I understand that some people are more willing to excuse violence than I am. I understand that for some the rule of law is less important than the rule of the mob, except when they like what the law has accomplished in a specific situation.

If you think that being angry about one violent ******* somehow indicates approval of another disgusting, rapist *******, that's more your problem than mine.
 
Babbylonian said:
I understand that some people are more willing to excuse violence than I am. I understand that for some the rule of law is less important than the rule of the mob, except when they like what the law has accomplished in a specific situation.
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Prioritizing our outrage is not the same thing as excusing violence. You seem to think I have the scream until I'm red in the face like you're doing at grieving father least I'm "excusing him."

I'm just saying given the violence, be it in context or scale, that happens I just can't see an incident like this setting someone off like this.

I'm allowed to see one as more of a problem than the other, and therefore seeing it as getting more worked up about, without "excusing it."

But again if "Grieving father of multiple rape victims losing control for one moment in court than apologizing" is just a peg you have to hammer down with equal force and glee as the serial rapist's peg for moral reasons... you do you.

If you think that being angry about one violent ******* somehow indicates approval of another disgusting, rapist *******, that's more your problem than mine.
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Well I'm glad you're finally giving the serial rapist equal autocensor time.

If you want to rage at the heavens at a serial rapist and a grieving father equally and see anyone who doesn't as accusing of approving violence so be it, that's more your problem than mine.
 
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Babbylonian said:
What's the point of getting angry at someone who's already going to spend the rest of his life in prison?
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Anger is a reactionary emotion; it doesn't have a "point". Nobody receives information, processes it, and then after due logical consideration comes to the conclusion that they shall be angry about it.
 
Babbylonian said:
I understand that some people are more willing to excuse violence than I am. I understand that for some the rule of law is less important than the rule of the mob, except when they like what the law has accomplished in a specific situation.

If you think that being angry about one violent ******* somehow indicates approval of another disgusting, rapist *******, that's more your problem than mine.
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I don't think you understand a *********** thing. He (the father) lost control. I can easily imagine doing so myself. No one NO ONE here is "excusing violent behavior." They are being empathetic, rather than some black and white interpretation of social justice.

"Rule of the mob?" The irony is thick.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
I don't think you understand a *********** thing. He (the father) lost control. I can easily imagine doing so myself. No one NO ONE here is "excusing violent behavior." They are being empathetic, rather than some black and white interpretation of social justice.

"Rule of the mob?" The irony is thick.
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I don't think he lost control.

I don't know the man. I've never met him. I'll never meet him. I haven't even seen his picture. Therefore, everything I say could be utterly wrong. However, the two questions he asked before going after Nassar are not the sort of questions asked by someone out of control.


I could be wrong. Any of us could be wrong.
 
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