Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

It's how my hernia was discovered my freshman year in high school, 1982.

How bizarre, that a relatively young boy could develop a condition like a hernia, and have it so completely asymptotic that the only way it will ever be noticed is during an exam like this. I haven't talked to very many people with hernias, but the few I have all said there was pain or noticeable discomfort at least.

I suppose this type of hernia must often go completely undiagnosed if a child never signs up for anything that requires him to undertake a sports physical in school.
 
How bizarre, that a relatively young boy could develop a condition like a hernia, and have it so completely asymptotic that the only way it will ever be noticed is during an exam like this. I haven't talked to very many people with hernias, but the few I have all said there was pain or noticeable discomfort at least.

I suppose this type of hernia must often go completely undiagnosed if a child never signs up for anything that requires him to undertake a sports physical in school.

Had no pain at all, and probably had it for quite some time while playing baseball, basketball and football through middle school. At that time, physicals were basically asking how you were feeling with true physicals coming in high school.
 
How bizarre, that a relatively young boy could develop a condition like a hernia, and have it so completely asymptotic that the only way it will ever be noticed is during an exam like this.

Why is it bizarre? People develop conditions that are painless all the time; there are many different types of hernias; they often develop while doing sports; and as I said earlier they tend to bulge when coughing so are detectable in the groin area this way.

So what's odd about it?
 
As I've said before, I have no problem with incisive comments directed to the perpetrator. I do have a problem with a judge weaving her personal life story into it. I also have a problem with a judge calling herself a "sister survivor". Replace each occurrence of "I" in that transcript with "the court" and see how much of it doesn't make sense anymore.

I don't think she called herself a "sister survivor", did she? She just called the victims "sister survivors".
 
Why is it bizarre? People develop conditions that are painless all the time; there are many different types of hernias; they often develop while doing sports; and as I said earlier they tend to bulge when coughing so are detectable in the groin area this way.

So what's odd about it?

I played football on my high school's team, and developed a hernia which I did not know about until a routine medical examination.
 
More victim statements at another Nassar sentencing hearing.
Another wave of victims confronted disgraced former gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar at his third and final sentencing hearing Wednesday, this time about sexual abuse at an elite Michigan club run by an Olympic coach. The judge presiding over the case said the number of people who allege they were abused by Nassar has climbed to 265.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-nassar-sentencing-hearing-victims-confront-doctor-live-stream/
 
My initial reaction was to wonder if Dr. Nassar was also abusing baseball players, then I realized that you were talking about the real Texas Rangers.:D

The doc is smart enough not to pull this stuff on anybody who could fight back, let alone pro athletes. There are no reports so far that he abused adult women, either, just young girls.
 
I'm counting on the tireless vigilance of people in this thread to let us know at once if the judge in this third case steps out of line by saying something negative about Nassar or expressing too much sympathy for his victims while giving her sentence decision.
 
The doc is smart enough not to pull this stuff on anybody who could fight back, let alone pro athletes. There are no reports so far that he abused adult women, either, just young girls.

Not true. Some of the victims were college aged women.

It was these women who actually got the ball rolling on the investigations that finally brought him down.
 
I'm counting on the tireless vigilance of people in this thread to let us know at once if the judge in this third case steps out of line by saying something negative about Nassar or expressing too much sympathy for his victims while giving her sentence decision.

It's the putting of the victims and the criminal on the same level that I find obnoxious about a lot of people on the Left when it comes to criminal justice. Go peddle the "we are all victims" garbage elsewhere, don't try that BS with me.
 
I'm no doc, but it does seem to be a recognized treatment, although the bulk of this therapy seems directed at problems other than sports injuries. See NCBI/Mayo Clinic link below. From the section 'Assessment of the Pelvic Floor':



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498251/

I took a look at the linked paper. It isn't just "the bulk" of the uses of the treatment, but all the treatment, it seems, at least in that paper. It hints that an injury, which could include a sports injury, could result in some sort of pelvic floor disorder, but it is hardly justification for routinely doing such an exam for........what exactly? Did he even need an excuse?

I haven't heard any doctors coming to his defense even in a slight way, as in a "This is an appropriate treatment for sports under some circumstances, but...." Despite that, people just accepted that this was normal. Or maybe normal isn't the right word at all. Maybe it's a case of actually holding him in higher esteem because he had such a good reputation, and they figured that he must be a truly special doctor because he's willing to go for such unconventional therapy that no one else understands.

I still can't think of anything other than "Emperor's New Clothes" as an explanation.
 
Regarding the price of fame, I would give the athletes a pass again.

So would I, but I'm not so sure about coaches, parents, or the "gymnastics establishment". If they are so fixated on gold medals that they would turn a blind eye to the variety of forms of abuse reported by the athletes, I have a hard time believing that they have the best interest of the girls at heart.
 
So would I, but I'm not so sure about coaches, parents, or the "gymnastics establishment". If they are so fixated on gold medals that they would turn a blind eye to the variety of forms of abuse reported by the athletes, I have a hard time believing that they have the best interest of the girls at heart.

Going back to the whole youth-sports thing, it seems that at least some parents consciously approve of some forms of blatant abuse as acceptable practice when carried out by coaches in the context of "sports" and "training". As some of the women giving impact statements describe, coaches and others involved in sports training are deliberately dismissive of child athletes' complaints of pain, injuries, and discomfort because "no pain no gain". They will assert that physical training even when painful or uncomfortable IS in the best interest of the girls.

It sounds to me as if when girls raised concerns to other adults, Nassar was always ready with excuses, invoking "legitimate medical techniques" that simply required his hands to be in very close proximity to the girls' genitals, and that they were just exaggerating or making things up about how close, in order to get out of uncomfortable but necessary treatments. This fit so well with the "stop complaining and push through the pain" approach those adults employed in every other aspect of the girls' training that they readily accepted it and treated the girls concerns as just more complaining.

Think about the "hernia test" for boys described on the last page, as ubiquitous as it is. If a boy tried approaching his middle school, high school, or non-school sports coach complaining that the doctor he was sent to keeps trying to fondle his testicles and it makes him uncomfortable and he doesn't think it's right, what do you think the coach is going to tell him? Shut up. Stop being such a pansy. Everybody has to go through it. It's a common and legitimate medical procedure to check for a hernia. How old are you - you really think you know better than an actual doctor what is a real or acceptable medical procedure and what isn't? In reality, the doctor could be a pedophile taking advantage of free access to children's private parts and taking extreme liberties during his "exams", but the boy would be completely unable to convince other adults that something was wrong.
 
It helps if you actually understand how hernias are detected.

Which a child does not, as many coaches would doubtless tell him when dismissing his complaint.

In fact some of Nassar's victims were effectively told the same thing.

Those who spoke described the roles that Michigan State, USA Gymnastics, and John Geddert [the owner of the Twistars gymnastics club] played in enabling Nassar’s abuse. One woman wrote that Geddert told her what Nassar was doing was medically legitimate, and that she needed to “do her research,”...
 
Not true. Some of the victims were college aged women.

It was these women who actually got the ball rolling on the investigations that finally brought him down.

I'm not sure that's true. The first public complainant was Rachael Denhollander, now a 33-year-old lawyer, who was 15 when Nassar first "treated" her. The first people who tried to report him to authorities, as far back as the mid-'90s -- and were ignored -- were mostly in high school or younger. If he assaulted anyone over 18, there were very few.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/01/24/nassar-denhollander/109787862/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/te...sident-told-nassar-complaint-2014/1042071001/
https://www.indystar.com/story/news...nder-usa-gymnastics-sexual-assault/776387001/
 
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