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Largest ever miscarriage of justice?

Orphia Nay said:
“Still, to this day, I am unaware of an identified part of Horizon code that someone can point to to show that Horizon is fundamentally flawed. I understand Horizon Online is still used today.”
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Interesting choice of words. I assume he doesn't have access to the code and Fujitsu have resisted making details available so there could be horrendous bugs but he will still not be aware of an identified piece of code someone can point to.
 
Wudang said:
Interesting choice of words. I assume he doesn't have access to the code and Fujitsu have resisted making details available so there could be horrendous bugs but he will still not be aware of an identified piece of code someone can point to.
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It was indeed very carefully worded.
 
Wudang said:
Interesting choice of words. I assume he doesn't have access to the code and Fujitsu have resisted making details available so there could be horrendous bugs but he will still not be aware of an identified piece of code someone can point to.
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If it's fundamentally flawed, there is unlikely to be any isolated piece of code you can point to. It's more likely to be an architectural issue like (just a made up example) the way remote servers communicate with the central system. The code may implement the algorithm flawlessly but, if the algorithm allows for dropped or duplicated transactions, you are screwed.
 
Here's a handy scapegoat for the Post Office bigwigs.

But evidence in the latest public inquiry hearing has confirmed the Met Police is now investigating an individual. During his evidence session, John Bartlett, director of assurance and complex investigations at the Post Office, confirmed that the Metropolitan Police was now investigating: “We told the inquiry about it, we told the Met Police about it and it is now a Met Police investigation.”

When asked, Bartlett confirmed that the person under investigation, who is currently suspended, is not involved in giving evidence in the current phase – Phase 7 – of the public inquiry.
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https://www.computerweekly.com/news...e-worker-over-evidence-destruction-allegation

The individual may have destroyed evidence of interest to the inquiry.
 
jeremyp said:
If it's fundamentally flawed, there is unlikely to be any isolated piece of code you can point to. It's more likely to be an architectural issue like (just a made up example) the way remote servers communicate with the central system. The code may implement the algorithm flawlessly but, if the algorithm allows for dropped or duplicated transactions, you are screwed.
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Very true and we know instances of this like the unvalidated XML schemas.
 
The post office categorised PO operators as “negroid types”, “Chinese/Japanese types” and “dark skinned European types” until 2016.
 
jeremyp said:
If it's fundamentally flawed, there is unlikely to be any isolated piece of code you can point to. It's more likely to be an architectural issue like (just a made up example) the way remote servers communicate with the central system. The code may implement the algorithm flawlessly but, if the algorithm allows for dropped or duplicated transactions, you are screwed.
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The fact that it was rural POs, where power and broadband dropouts are most likely, that seemed to have most of the problems suggests your "made up example" may be spot on.
 
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jeremyp said:
If it's fundamentally flawed, there is unlikely to be any isolated piece of code you can point to. It's more likely to be an architectural issue like (just a made up example) the way remote servers communicate with the central system. The code may implement the algorithm flawlessly but, if the algorithm allows for dropped or duplicated transactions, you are screwed.
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Or even underlying libraries may introduce bugs into flawless code (once developed and published a spreadsheet that couldn't add up properly - yeah a slightly significant bug in a spreadsheet - in turned out to be a bug in the supplied C libraries rather than our code).
 
Pixel42 said:
The fact that it was rural POs, where power and broadband dropouts are most likely, that seemed to have most of the problems suggests your "made up example" may be spot on.
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That's optimistic, at least for the early days of Horizon. It's more likely, I think that they were using modem connections over telephone lines in the rural areas.
 
Up until recently* I always tried to ensure I had enough cash for enough petrol to get me home as many petrol stations in Hampshire (pre 1999) and Yorkshire/Derbyshire used dialup for debit card readers and they often timed out repeatedly.

*for a 66 year old's values of "recently"
 
Anyone else think that Paula Vennels has many of the characteristics that seem to be requirements for the post of Archbishop of Canterbury?
 
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