Split Thread Language and labels - paedophile or child-molester

smartcooky said:
isissxn

I don't actually give a fat rat's arse what you do. If you have rape fantasies, that's fine. If you enjoy having them, then that's fine too, what ever rocks your boat... THAT IS YOUR RIGHT!

However, I am allowed to think that the idea of anyone having a rape fantasy is perverted. That is MY opinion, MY morality. I find the idea of rape fantasy disgusting. THAT IS MY RIGHT!
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Now you've changed the argument altogether. The point wasn't to make you think rape fantasies are good, but to make you realise that thought doesn't beget action. We're trying to tell you something important, here, but you are blinded by bigotry.
 
smartcooky said:
cullenz. This is what some people do when they can't debate honestly.

They cannot address your point without undermining their own position, so they will drag in other irrelevant topics to try confuse the issue and obfuscate their own failure to address your point.

It wasn't you or I who dragged rape fantasy, torture, murder or peanut butter and the other irrelevant stuff into this thread or your original thread.
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What an incredibly dishonest post. You have lost any respect I used to have for you as a poster.
 
Argumemnon said:
That is completely unlike anything anyone's said in this thread. If you spent less time being outraged at things you don't understand, you might actually learn something.
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Outraged at what?

All I have said up till now about rape fantasies is I haven't had one.

Don't know really if they are bad or not

I'm just following your opinion to its logical conclusion

If it makes you feel uncomfortable this isn't my fault
 
isissxn said:
How??? :eye-poppi
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Because none of it is relevant to what this thread is about (Language and Labels), and neither is it relevant to the original thread this was split from, a thread (started by jimbob) about the Australian Roman Catholic Church sending five, known child molesting priests to the same Parish.

jimbob used the term "paedophile priests" in his title. This resulted in some of the hand-wringing pedantistas (the usual suspects) on this forum taking umbrage at his use of the terminology despite the fact that, rightly or wrongly, the term paedophile has for at least the last thirty years, become synonymous with child molestation.

While some of us wanted to discus the despicable actions of the Australian Catholic Church, the pedantistas were only interested browbeating us with their insistent harping on about the using or correct terminology. The thread was derailed to such a point that the mods felt it necessary to split off the terminology discussion to a separate thread (this one)

Not happy with derailing the original thread, the usual suspects set about derailing this one too, introducing irrelevant things to the discussion, such as rape fantasies, murder, torture, personal tastes, violent books, movies and video games, and, of all things, peanut butter (go figure).

All of of these derails have nothing to do with a discussion about five RC priests being sent to the same Parish, and nothing to do with a discussion about correct terminology with regard to Paedophiles and Child Molesters.
 
smartcooky said:
And I lost all respect for you when it dawned on me that you think its acceptable for adult males having fantasies in which they rape pre-pubescent children.
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As I said: you believe in thought policing people. You are an authoritarian and the antithesis of liberal democracy. I don't give a **** what people believe of fantasize about. I care about what they do. You've convinced yourself that they are one and the same because you've given up on reason and rationality.

Good for you. I'm sure your fact-free worldview feels great.
 
cullennz said:
The topic of rape fantasies wasn't brought up talking about women having them.

And there have been posters on here saying blokes having them are perfectly fine.

All good.

But you can't pick and chose.
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Jesus, cullenz. Who is acting out my fantasies with me if not a man with similar proclivities? You can't draw that kind of line in the sand. Well, I mean, obviously you can - but not if consistent internal logic matters to you.

I spoke primarily in defense of the female actor in these scenarios because a.) I have a bit of firsthand experience in that regard, and b.) the inflammatory statement by smartcooky which fueled me to post was made about the pertinent women, specifically. First the easily-disproven claim that we are a small fringe group, followed closely by the value judgment that we're ********** up and that's a BAD thing.

It IS perfectly fine for my "bloke" to imagine the same things I'm imagining while we act out our nasty ways all over our sinful little apartment. Why does gender make a difference?
 
smartcooky said:
cullenz. This is what some people do when they can't debate honestly.

They cannot address your point without undermining their own position, so they will drag in other irrelevant topics to try confuse the issue and obfuscate their own failure to address your point.

It wasn't you or I who dragged rape fantasy, torture, murder or peanut butter and the other irrelevant stuff into this thread or your original thread.
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I love how people only start whinging about the use of analogies or parallel thought experiments when the results hurt their original arguments.
 
isissxn said:
Jesus, cullenz. Who is acting out my fantasies with me if not a man with similar proclivities? You can't draw that kind of line in the sand. Well, I mean, obviously you can - but not if consistent internal logic matters to you.

I spoke primarily in defense of the female actor in these scenarios because a.) I have a bit of firsthand experience in that regard, and b.) the inflammatory statement by smartcooky which fueled me to post was made about the pertinent women, specifically. First the easily-disproven claim that we are a small fringe group, followed closely by the value judgment that we're ********** up and that's a BAD thing.

It IS perfectly fine for my "bloke" to imagine the same things I'm imagining while we act out our nasty ways all over our sinful little apartment. Why does gender make a difference?
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I have no particular opinion on sex fantasies.

All I said is if you say illegal rape fantasies are fine then it ain't rocket science to conclude you also think illegal child rape fantasies are fine.

The gender difference with the children side of things is obvious
 
I should add it was you lot that brought up rape fantasies on a pedo thread.

So we can only assume their linked
 
Are there truly still people in this thread who think "blokes" like mine get off on the idea of actually raping a crying, screaming, terrified, resisting victim? Is it their understanding that I (and all the adventurous ladies like me, lining the pockets of that illiterate hack who wrote 50 Shades) get off on the notion of actually being raped by a hostile, violent overpowerer with whom I genuinely do not wish to lie?

If so, that might be your problem. There's a world of difference between "rape fantasies" and straight-up rape fetish. The latter is considered a pathology (like pedophilia!) because indulging the urge involves harming a NON-CONSENTING and/or NON-ADULT (and therefore, non-consenting by definition) victim. The other is a god damn fantasy acted out by two consenting freaks who are into the same thing and want to make each other happy. Who is ANYONE to say that's not okay?

It's not getting off on the fantasy of committing an actual crime, because both people want it to happen! They just like to add a little spice, via pirate characters, bodices, silky ropes, and whatever the hell else they please. Comparing any facet of such sexual indulgence to the unspeakable crime of child sexual molestation is *********** deranged.
 
cullennz said:
I have no particular opinion on sex fantasies.

All I said is if you say illegal rape fantasies are fine then it ain't rocket science to conclude you also think illegal child rape fantasies are fine.
The gender difference with the children side of things is obvious
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There is no hope for you if you really can't see the difference. There is nothing illegal about two adults role-playing a rapey fantasy upon which they've agreed. Contrarily, there is NO scenario in which having sexual contact with an actual child could be safely or legally enacted.

And that last part of your post - WAT? Please elaborate. Are you saying that it's worse for a child of one gender to experience molestation than the other? Or do you mean that molestation by a male adult would be more traumatic for a child than same by a female adult?

Either way, generally speaking, you are way off. And sexist. Gross.
 
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isissxn said:
Are there truly still people in this thread who think "blokes" like mine get off on the idea of actually raping a crying, screaming, terrified, resisting victim? Is it their understanding that I (and all the adventurous ladies like me, lining the pockets of that illiterate hack who wrote 50 Shades) get off on the notion of actually being raped by a hostile, violent overpowerer with whom I genuinely do not wish to lie?

If so, that might be your problem. There's a world of difference between "rape fantasies" and straight-up rape fetish. The latter is considered a pathology (like pedophilia!) because indulging the urge involves harming a NON-CONSENTING and/or NON-ADULT (and therefore, non-consenting by definition) victim. The other is a god damn fantasy acted out by two consenting freaks who are into the same thing and want to make each other happy. Who is ANYONE to say that's not okay?

It's not getting off on the fantasy of committing an actual crime, because both people want it to happen! They just like to add a little spice, via pirate characters, bodices, silky ropes, and whatever the hell else they please. Comparing any facet of such sexual indulgence to the unspeakable crime of child sexual molestation is *********** deranged.
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Irrelevant to rape fantasy
 
cullennz said:
I should add it was you lot that brought up rape fantasies on a pedo thread.

So we can only assume their linked
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There's this thing called analogies that can be helpful in debate when a participants' viewpoint has become too entrenched to allow even consideration of outside factors. Unfortunately, they often become the straw from which The Man is constructed when the entrenched person decides to throw an emotional hissy fit instead of considering honest points in a dispassionate way.

I can go all night. Keep flailing.
 
isissxn said:
There is no hope for you if you really can't see the difference. There is nothing illegal about two adults role-playing a rapey fantasy upon which they've agreed. Contrarily, there is NO scenario in which having sexual contact with an actual child could be safely or legally enacted.

And that last part of your post - WAT? Please elaborate. Are you saying that it's worse for a child of one gender to experience molestation than the other? Or do you mean that molestation by a male adult would be more traumatic for a child than same by a female adult?

Either way, generally speaking, you are way off. And sexist. Gross.
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That was not what was brought up
 
cullennz said:
Irrelevant to rape fantasy
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The paragraph I wrote explaining the finer points of rape fantasy (and its stark differences from rape fetishism) is irrelevant to rape fantasy? Well, butter me up and call me a flapjack, I must have forgotten how the English language works. :rolleyes:
 
isissxn said:
There's this thing called analogies that can be helpful in debate when a participants' viewpoint has become too entrenched to allow even consideration of outside factors. Unfortunately, they often become the straw from which The Man is constructed when the entrenched person decides to throw an emotional hissy fit instead of considering honest points in a dispassionate way.

I can go all night. Keep flailing.
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You are talking about fetish sex.

Not rape fantasy.

Can you guess the difference?
 
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