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kurious_kathy explain this.

fowlsound said:
Those words are your own. You said:



ASA's response was the most logical deduction of your statement.

Your logical fallacy this time was:

Argument from incredulity and a whole lot of non-sequiter.
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I myself look for the lessons that are behind scripture. I don't take as an intellectual may? What was the end result because of what happened. Cause and effect mentality. I would say an applicable interpretation of scripture is more important to me than just taking it as liturature!

What is a lesson? Isn't it something we learn because of what we studied or learned from experience?? Maybe you guys just can't relate to the way I am expressing myself. It's the applicable interpretation that has significance to me. I do not consider myself a theologian at all. Just a student of the word.
Just a fellow seeker guys. Please don't take everything I share liturally. I am just a girl who chooses to love and believe God. Understanding Him...well I think we are all pondering this question?
 
kurious_kathy said:
I myself look for the lessons that are behind scripture. I don't take as an intellectual may? What was the end result because of what happened. Cause and effect mentality. I would say an applicable interpretation of scripture is more important to me than just taking it as liturature!

What is a lesson? Isn't it something we learn because of what we studied or learned from experience?? Maybe you guys just can't relate to the way I am expressing myself. It's the applicable interpretation that has significance to me. I do not consider myself a theologian at all. Just a student of the word.
Just a fellow seeker guys. Please don't take everything I share liturally. I am just a girl who chooses to love and believe God. Understanding Him...well I think we are all pondering this question?
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You are simply incapable of answering a direct question, aren't you?

You are not a student, or you would be able to coherently debate your position. You are a sheep.

If you don't want us to take everything you say literally, then don't write anything. You see, all we have to go on is your writing.

Now:

Does your God condone and in fact order rape and murder?

Yes or no.

Your logical fallacies this time were:

Argument from incredulity, appeal to authority, non-sequiter, post hoc fallacy, and a whole heap of intellectual dishonesty.



ETA:
As for your last statement:

No we are not all trying to understand God.
 
kurious_kathy said:
I disagree with you about the flood..but this is a totally different topic.
Well, you brought it up, scroll back a few messages if you don't believe me.

One question I'd like answered. Where did all the water go?

Oh, another one. What killed all the fish and other marine wildlife?


I would never say any woman deserves to be raped, this is a terrible thing for anyone to go through! I would not wish it on my worse enemy, but it does happen.
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So, why does it say, in your bible, that a woman who is raped should be stoned to death because she didn't cry out for help?

We can't blame God if something like that happens to someone, right?
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Finally you got something right!
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kurious_kathy said:
Understanding Him...well I think we are all pondering this question?
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You are wrong.

You are also a liar, because you just admitted you don't think. Instead, you swallow what the Thumpers tell you, can't back up your claims, can't answer a straight-forward question straightforwardly, and when you don't understand something you yourself have proclaimed is true, you simply shrug and say, "Who am I to question God?"

These forums are dedicated to critical thinking, and it long ago became critical that you think, even a little.

But I fear you have passed critical, and have nose-dived into terminal.
 
Kurious_Kathy,

Please answer Fowlsound. Yes or No.

Also, I may have missed this in your preaching, but do you believe the bible is the literal truth?

Yes or No.

I also do not need or care to understand god. I'd rather understand Stephen King. Less frightening.
 
Kathy, how many times do we have to completely demolish your statement before you and your husband realize that 1) you're completely outclassed here in terms of knowledge of the bible and debate skills and 2) you aren't going to win any converts, even in the lurking fencesitters because you come off looking like a blathering idiot?

You certainly aren't doing anything to help your cause.
 
The short answer is, "Yes." God did allow for rape and the sale of women in some cases for use as "servants."

At this point, the longer answer may be irrelevant, as we can't get Kathy to give us even the short answer.
 
Roadtoad said:
The short answer is, "Yes." God did allow for rape and the sale of women in some cases for use as "servants."

At this point, the longer answer may be irrelevant, as we can't get Kathy to give us even the short answer.
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I find her inability to answer a question directly ALMOST as dishonest as this post.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Who are we to question anything God allows. I don't really see as he ordered it...
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So you deny the very clear statement of the Bible, in Deuteronomy 22:28:
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

That looks like a direct order to me, to marry the victim.

Yes or no, Kathykins--Do you consider this law, laid down in Ye Olde Ostenibley Infallible Bible, to be a just law by God?

Either God is a right bastard, or forcing unmarried rape victims to marry their rapists is morally acceptable, or the Bible is not the word of God. Which one do you think it is?
 
kurious_kathy said:
God can and does intervene in wiping out evil people when he see's it is needed. Painful, yes. I just trust that he is the righteous judge and in total control. This does not mean I like seeing people destroyed. But if they are evil I like justice way more than seeing evil people get away with hurting others. Don't you?
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kurious_kathy said:
I would never say any woman deserves to be raped, this is a terrible thing for anyone to go through! I would not wish it on my worse enemy, but it does happen. We can't blame God if something like that happens to someone, right?
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Which is it, KK? Make up your mind and stick with it, then we can discuss.

By the way, this is not an excuse for you to quote scripture at me. This is a chance for you to realize you contradicted yourself and figure out what you actually believe.

Thanks for playing.
 
All I know is that when Marie Osmond got a divorce, I was shocked. I didn't think Mormons could get divorced.

Catholics somehow manage it (I know annulled). Heck, Amy Grant got a divorce. She used to say the same stuff Kathy says. So did Marie.

I think there is the ideal and then there is real life.

Mind you, I'm still married.

But Amy Grant did mess me up for awhile there.
 
kittynh said:
Catholics somehow manage it (I know annulled).
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My grandmother, god rest her soul, was as promiscious as a good Catholic can be--i.e. she got married and either buried them or got it annulled so many times we quite literally lost count of husbands (and every now and again she'd mention one we hadn't heard of before.)

We finally figured out that her trick was to divorce one, start the paperwork to marry the second one, and then go to a priest and cry on his shoulder. The priest would immediately see that he had the power to save this terribly sweet woman from accidental bigamy, which obviously was Not Her Fault, and would get it annulled.

She went through nearly as many priests as husbands, but one had to admire her technique...
 
It makes no sense. It's something a very immature being would do.

The Babble says God knew us in the womb.
He knows before we are born who we are and who we will be.
So instead of preventing conception, or causing an early miscarriage, he waits until some of us have lives, families, friends, and then kills us because we are wicked?

To some he grants lives of 90 years or more, lives filled with wickedness and perversion, but also with many days in which to seek forgiveness.

Others he simply cuts off, out of whim, apparently, with things like hurricanes and tidal waves.

And this makes sense to you? You don't feel fit to question such insane, immoral behavior?

Somewhere out there, right this second, a middle-aged man is molesting a little girl. He did it last night, and he'll do it tomorrow night. And he will not drop dead until he is old, and wrinkled, and his victim has long since committed suicide. And right before he dies, with his very last breath, he will feel, sincerely feel, heartfelt repentance, will call out to God, and will be accepted into His bosom.

If god existed, he would be a jerk. You can only imagine what I think of those who truly believe what you have said tonight.
 
Do we really need to argue over a fictional book when we know it's as litteral as " Harry Potter and the half blood prince "?
 
slingblade said:
It makes no sense. It's something a very immature being would do.

The Babble says God knew us in the womb.
He knows before we are born who we are and who we will be.
So instead of preventing conception, or causing an early miscarriage, he waits until some of us have lives, families, friends, and then kills us because we are wicked?

To some he grants lives of 90 years or more, lives filled with wickedness and perversion, but also with many days in which to seek forgiveness.

Others he simply cuts off, out of whim, apparently, with things like hurricanes and tidal waves.

And this makes sense to you? You don't feel fit to question such insane, immoral behavior?

Somewhere out there, right this second, a middle-aged man is molesting a little girl. He did it last night, and he'll do it tomorrow night. And he will not drop dead until he is old, and wrinkled, and his victim has long since committed suicide. And right before he dies, with his very last breath, he will feel, sincerely feel, heartfelt repentance, will call out to God, and will be accepted into His bosom.

If god existed, he would be a jerk. You can only imagine what I think of those who truly believe what you have said tonight.
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Sling it is definately hard to understand why God shows more mercy and grace to some, but maybe not others. I hear you.

And I wish you had not brought up the idea of a pedifile. I myself was a victim as a child. But what I found is God forgave me..and because of his love I can forgive the other people that have hurt me much of my life. I don't want to go into too much detail about it. But I can tell you the 3 pedifiles in my childhood I feel sorry for. As far as I know they died in their sins without Jesus. In fact my grandfather did not live very long after he became sick like that. He died from electrocution while cleaning his pool. He did that chore all the time and my mom still doesn't think it was a normal accident. Whether he became suicidal or God willed that he would die like that, well I won't know till the day I leave this life and cross over to eternity.

I just want to tell you from my heart I have forgiven people for things in my past so I could find the healing I needed. I hope you understand this is what I was trying to share with you a while back but I guess I just did not get it out right? Anyways I really do believe forgiveness is key for all of us that have been victims. And yes I too in the past became angry at God. I cried much of the time asking him why he let those things happen to me? I probably even blamed him for it, but now I don't.

I now know somehow all things work to the good for those who love the Lord. And I'm sure everyone here knows by now that I LOVE JESUS!!
 
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kurious_kathy said:
{snip}But what I found is God forgave me..and because of his love I can forgive the other people that have hurt me much of my life.{snip}
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I'm sorry, Kathy, and I in no way mean to make light of any events that took place in your childhood, but I find this pathetic. Why, in all honesty, must God forgive you? What kind of divine being must forgive you for being a victim? What kind of god must forgive you for the way you were born? What kind of god forgives a serial killer who repents on his deathbed, but not a gay aid worker who spent her entire life helping others? To me this sounds like a cruel, capricious being who is not worthy or deserving of our worship.
 
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