Kinoki Detox Footpads

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'd rather not visit the site personally. I'm just wondering if anybody who has actually done that knows how much they charge for the analysis service. It might be a cheap way to do a crude check for, say, lead contamination on your FLOORS.

I would suggest that one fraud hardly gives one confidence the other half of the equation is somehow reliable.

 

[Dymanic]

I would suggest that one fraud hardly gives one confidence the other half of the equation is somehow reliable.

You know, that actually occured to me as well, and it's part of why I used the word "crude". But it's not hard to see why they'd be motivated to find harmful substances on the pads, and to legitimize the testing process as much as possible, because they're counting on that to act as the diversion. The sleight of hand is that whatever they find on those pads didn't come from the inside of anybody's foot, but from the outside. Like many conjurer's tricks, once you see what's going on, it's hard to see how anybody could fall for it.

 

[SurfCitySurvivor]

As I read through this thread, one thought comes to mind that hasn't been presented. Consider this:

We all bathe on a regular basis. Why?... To cleanse our bodies of not just the soil that we have gathered via contact (dirty hands, etc.) but also to wash away the substances that our bodies expel.

Let me speak plainly - When one doesn't bathe, what do we begin to notice? Odor from those parts of our bodies that channel the expulsion of said waste. And where do we most notice this odor? Armpits, crotch, and feet.

Could it be possible that a procedure such as acupuncture, or a product such as foot pads, may stimulate or enhance this natural process? Could these pads be akin to the poultice, which is a widely accepted and used medical product? Hmmm...

What would make this thread more fun would be a little more open-mindedness, some acknowledgement of the possibility that, hey, is there a chance that this concept may be valid?

Mahalo

~T

 

[kosai]

As I read through this thread, one thought comes to mind that hasn't been presented. Consider this:

We all bathe on a regular basis. Why?... To cleanse our bodies of not just the soil that we have gathered via contact (dirty hands, etc.) but also to wash away the substances that our bodies expel.

Let me speak plainly - When one doesn't bathe, what do we begin to notice? Odor from those parts of our bodies that channel the expulsion of said waste. And where do we most notice this odor? Armpits, crotch, and feet.

Could it be possible that a procedure such as acupuncture, or a product such as foot pads, may stimulate or enhance this natural process? Could these pads be akin to the poultice, which is a widely accepted and used medical product? Hmmm...

What would make this thread more fun would be a little more open-mindedness, some acknowledgement of the possibility that, hey, is there a chance that this concept may be valid?

Mahalo

~T

It's a nice try at a theory however, It doesn't hold up to the science very well. You have two types of sweat glands, Apocrine and Eccrine. Eccrine sweat glands emit electrolytes and water, it's not a smelly type of sweat. The Apocrine sweat glands are the main culprit for producing B.O., the reason for this is that they emit electrolytes, water and FAT. The fat is "broken down" (read eaten, excreted) by bacteria. This is where the odor comes from. So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands. Where is the eccrine glands most common? In the tough skin on your hands and feet. Foot odor is caused due to the constrictiveness of shoes, making a hot, moist place where bacteria can breed is a likely route to a foul smell. However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'

 

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Thinker's response~
So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands.

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'[/QUOTE]


Re: Thinker's response~
Hmmm... Glad we all shampoo and shave daily, just think how smelly our heads and faces would be.

Good luck with your duct tape, and your "open mind."

Ho ho

~T

 

[Miss Whiplash]

Thinker's response~
So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands.

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'


Re: Thinker's response~
Hmmm... Glad we all shampoo and shave daily, just think how smelly our heads and faces would be.

Good luck with your duct tape, and your "open mind."

Ho ho

~T

Will you submit your foot pads for independent testing? By independent I mean someone other than a Mountain Doctor who sells the same footpads.

Tell me though, if you had a bad, life threatening, infection what would you do - use footpads or go to a doctor and take antibiotics?

 

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Will you submit your foot pads for independent testing? By independent I mean someone other than a Mountain Doctor who sells the same footpads.

Tell me though, if you had a bad, life threatening, infection what would you do - use footpads or go to a doctor and take antibiotics?

They are not my footpads, so no, I won't submit them any more quickly than you likely will. I would, however, be interested in seeing the results of such an evaluation.

No, I would not use these footpads to counter a life-threatening infection. Nor would I use them to treat a sprained ankle, blurred vision, venereal warts, stuttering, or a toothache.

 

[JFrankA]

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'

Really??? ...I mean.... Yeah, I know. I...I...I planned that.. uh.. it's trademarked and everything.....


Wow. I've got customers now!! Guess I'd better run to Home Depot and pick up some Duck Taaaaaaaa..... stuff for my business..........

*whew* got away with that one.......

 

[SurfCitySurvivor]

Sir,

Is that Duct Ta... uh, product of yours FDA registered & approved?

And may I ask, do you recommend it for hemorrhoids?:

~T

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thinker's response~
So how do you know where to look for those nasty Apocrine sweat glands? The easy answer is, look for body hair, where it grows (in 2 of the 3 places you mentioned) you will find Apocrine sweat glands.

However, JFrankA has introduced a product in this thread that I'd at least find more likely to work, we all just need to keep an 'open mind.'

Re: Thinker's response~
Hmmm... Glad we all shampoo and shave daily, just think how smelly our heads and faces would be.

Good luck with your duct tape, and your "open mind."

Ho ho

~T[/QUOTE]
Be wary of sock puppets in new blood clothing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sir,

Is that Duct Ta... uh, product of yours FDA registered & approved?

And may I ask, do you recommend it for hemorrhoids?:

~T

Surf City, this is a skeptics board. Do you really think we don't understand how the FDA works?

Those pads do not have FDA approval as an effective toxin remover. Who are you kidding? And don't try to tell us you aren't involved in sales in some way. I doubt these quack products have a fan following at this stage.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Has anyone posted these links yet?

The Biggest Medical Scam Since Alex Chiu's Immortality Device

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"The Purse" forum: See post #3. Notice also that SoCalGuy (a newbie there) at first looks like a Kinoki sock puppet but then turns out to be hawking a competitor's product. And they've taken the domain name, http://www.kinoki.com/ .

Sheesh, looks like a franchise with someone else selling the product to the sellers.

Post #12 is hilarious.

Milkisbad (1 post) another sock puppet. These guys are out in force among the forums. There are 17 pages in that forum on this product. I only looked at page one. If anyone else has the time, it'd be interesting to know how many product selling sock puppets there are on the thread. Maybe I'll try to count them up later if no one else gets around to it.

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This blog entry on the pads has a link to this thread.

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Skeptiod, The Detoxification Myth

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FDA Website Search Results - Your search - kinoki - did not match any documents.

 

[JFrankA]

Sir,

Is that Duct Ta... uh, product of yours FDA registered & approved?

And may I ask, do you recommend it for hemorrhoids?:

~T

Huh? FD what? Oh, those guys, yeah, it's all, uhm, clear, good, they said whatever needs to be said to, you know, uhm, buy a lot of it......

Oh, hemorrhoids? Well, uh sure, yeah, it helps with them too. Why not?


....How many should I put you down for?

 

[SurfCitySurvivor]

You guys are a trip!

I'm flattered that some of you think I'm one of them. Really, now... if I were involved with one of these companies, why would I ever bother entering this forum and try to argue my case? It says a lot about some people, when they run out of ammunition, their last argument is: "sock puppet."

Bottom line is, I haven't seen a solid fact from anyone here showing that footpads don't work, anymore than I have shown that they do. This being my last posting, and visit, for that matter, I leave this site with the understanding that you haven't shown me anything beyond your enormous capacity for skepticism. But I guess that's what this site is all about - skepticism. Some of you are quite bright, some think they're bright, and there are a few really dim lamps out there.

But my best unanswered qustion remains, how are footpads different in concept (key word: concept!) from the revered poultice? I'll let you all kick that around among yourselves... I'm outta here. And no, I'm not rushing off to fill orders for my product. The Masters of Curling final match is coming on CBC Canada TV soon, and watching curling, or watching paint dry, for that matter, is a lot a lot more stimulating than debating with you.

I truly hope that you each someday discover something that you can believe in.

It's really been a hoot,

~T

 

[fls]

But my best unanswered qustion remains, how are footpads different in concept (key word: concept!) from the revered poultice?

Ooo, let me try.

Poult ice protects your fowl. Footpads foul your protection.

Did I win?

I'll let you all kick that around among yourselves...

~T

Teehee. You made a funny.

Linda

 

[Olowkow]

We all bathe on a regular basis. Why?... To cleanse our bodies of not just the soil that we have gathered via contact (dirty hands, etc.) but also to wash away the substances that our bodies expel.
... And where do we most notice this odor? Armpits, crotch, and feet.

Actually, sweat is odorless, until it is attacked by bacteria.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_odor

And isn't it just a whole lot easier, cheaper, and more fun, to take a shower than to cover the body with pads? Might miss a spot!

Don't think I want these on my crotch or armpits...any time soon.

 

[Dr. Lao]

Get a few paper towels.

Soak them in vinegar.

Let them dry.

apply to the bottom of your feet for a day or so.

You will have all kinds of black spots, you've been healed! Your chakras will be harmonized and you will be detoxed of engrams.

Send me 50 bucks.

 

[Miss Whiplash]

Bottom line is, I haven't seen a solid fact from anyone here showing that footpads don't work, anymore than I have shown that they do.

That's just it, you've not presented any evidence they do work. The burden of proof is not on us. It's on you and your foot pads as you are making a wild claim.

As you hurl accusations and derision to us, we are watching you engage in the Twenty Five Fallacies of poor thinking. Please read over the list or enroll in Logic 101. In the meantime, the only dim bulb here is you.

 

[fls]

That's just it, you've not presented any evidence they do work. The burden of proof is not on us. It's on you and your foot pads as you are making a wild claim.

Dr. Adequate says that the burden of proof is on the person claiming the exception.* Since most of the things we could do have no therapeutic effect, to claim that something does is an exception. It seems to me that this should be a 'stopper'; it should end arguments about just who has the burden of proof. But will it work in someone who is committed to being unreasonable?

Linda

*A vague recollection that may not represent what he actually said or may not have been him.

 

[Miss Whiplash]

Dr. Adequate says that the burden of proof is on the person claiming the exception.* Since most of the things we could do have no therapeutic effect, to claim that something does is an exception. It seems to me that this should be a 'stopper'; it should end arguments about just who has the burden of proof. But will it work in someone who is committed to being unreasonable?

Linda

*A vague recollection that may not represent what he actually said or may not have been him.

True. I know this guy is a passing sniper and heckler, but still there is a chance something we say may jog his works and the light of reason will wink on in his brain.