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Kinoki Detox Footpads

SurfCitySurvivor said:
There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T
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Belief doesn't cut it when it comes to scientific results. Care to elaborate on the testing? Tell us exactly how this or any "detox" product can "detoxify" better than human kidneys, sweat glands, etc. Tell us how nerves in the soles of feet can move toxins for elimination with sticky pads. What is the physiology behind this process? Has this product been approved by the FDA to remove toxins from the body? If not, why?

Please answer these questions promptly or stand with the negative posters, pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.
 
Miss Whiplash said:
Belief doesn't cut it when it comes to scientific results. Care to elaborate on the testing? Tell us exactly how this or any "detox" product can "detoxify" better than human kidneys, sweat glands, etc. Tell us how nerves in the soles of feet can move toxins for elimination with sticky pads. What is the physiology behind this process? Has this product been approved by the FDA to remove toxins from the body? If not, why?

Please answer these questions promptly or stand with the negative posters, pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.
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1. Belief is the essential base element of life.
2. Elaborate? No, thank you...
3. Not "better than," but in a different manner.
4. Nerves don't move toxins, they stimulate the movement.
5. Physiology... come on! I'm a consumer, just like you (well, maybe not quite like you).
6. FDA approval is listed on Detoxions website, along with a 'AA' Better Business Bureau rating.
7. And what's with this threat - "respond promptly or else." My, my...

Your attitude belies any good intention you may have.
BTW - nice tattoo

No more responses to you from me. The last word is yours, Madam... and I have no doubt that you shall have it.
 
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Belief doesn't make the world turn. I just thought you should know.

You need to read a bit more. The ingredients are FDA approved. That does not mean the FDA has tested the claims of this product and determined it effective.

The testing of these products was done by Dr. Bill Brooks, ND, DCH of Zirconia, NC. "ND" is not an "MD." He is a Doctor of Naturopathy and Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy. One can get these degrees online. He may not be affiliated with this particular product, but he sells his own detox footpads under the name of Sole Pads. That means he's some old boy up in the mountains near Saluda selling new fangled home remedies.

BTW- I have a holistic, negative ion stone. Place it in your right hand and toxins will vacate your body and your bank account will magically decrease. Just send me $19.99...
 
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What FDA approval? Did the FDA say they wouldn't hurt you? They certainly didn't say the pads actually do any of the stuff claimed. Below is straight from the detoxion pages.

Legal Stuff. The claims made on this website are based on manufacturer documentation believed to be reliable. Holistec makes no claim that there is a scientific consensus regarding these products. The statements on this site have not been evaluated by the FDA. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Do not discontinue or delay seeking medical treatment due to use of these product.
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Doing a bit more digging I've found the adhesive used on the pads are FDA approved and bamboo vinegar is approved for cosmetic use only. As usual with many of these wonder products, these are misleading half truths. The ingredients are approved but not for the proposes claimed in the product description. It's kind of like my famous analogy of using a rectal thermometer to bake a cake. A rectal thermometer is a FDA approved and useful instrument, but is being used for a purpose for which it was not designed.

I'd still love to know how the nerves in feet can eliminate toxins. For some reason, the footpad fans can't come up with any science to back it up.
 
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SurfCitySurvivor said:
There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T
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You fell for a scam. Shouldn't people be negative towards scams? Or should you feel happy that someone cheated you out of your money?

Come on..."Consumer Watch Review", a division of "Truth Detectors, International"?!?! You've been played, player. :cool:
 
Hrmm. Does look like a scam to me. Let's take a look at the WHOIS information for that consumer watch site:

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: CONSUMERWATCHREVIEW.COM
Created on: 11-Jun-07
Expires on: 11-Jun-08
Last Updated on: 11-Jun-07

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration CONSUMERWATCHREVIEW.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Technical Contact:
Private, Registration CONSUMERWATCHREVIEW.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
NS55.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
NS56.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited
Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited
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Interesting. "Domain by proxy". Here's what their site says:

Did you know that for each domain name you register, anyone -
anywhere, anytime - can find out your name, home address, phone
number and email address?

The law requires that the personal information you provide with every
domain you register be made public in the "WHOIS" database. Your
identity becomes instantly available - and vulnerable - to spammers,
scammers, prying eyes and worse.

But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy®!
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Basically the consumer site doesn't want you to know who actually OWNS it, and is using this proxy company so you can't find out. A legit company would have contact information for the WHOIS. For example, look at IBM's:

Registrant:
International Business Machines Corporation
New Orchard Road
Armonk, NY 10504
US

Domain Name: IBM.COM

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Promote your business to millions of viewers for only $1 a month
Learn how you can get an Enhanced Business Listing here for your domain name.
Learn more at http://www.NetworkSolutions.com/
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Administrative Contact:
DNS Admin, IBM dnsadm@us.ibm.com
IBM Corporation
New Orchard Road
Armonk, NY 10504
US
+1.9147654227 fax: +1.9147654370

Technical Contact:
DNS Technical, IBM dnstech@us.ibm.com
IBM Corporation
New Orchard Road
Armonk, NY 10504
US
+1.9147654227 fax: +1.9147654370

Record expires on 20-Mar-2008.
Record created on 19-Mar-1986.
Database last updated on 24-Jan-2008 12:27:39 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

INTERNET-SERVER.ZURICH.IBM.COM 195.176.20.204
NS.WATSON.IBM.COM 129.34.20.80
NS.ALMADEN.IBM.COM 198.4.83.35
NS.AUSTIN.IBM.COM 192.35.232.34

Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited
See Underlying Registry Data
Report Invalid Whois
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Note how they have multiple forms of contact. Addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, and so on. This doesn't prove that the site is a scam of course, but it sure looks it.
 
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Next, let's take a look at how often "Truth Detectors, International" appears with a simple google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...="Truth+Detectors,+International"&btnG=Search

Answer: Two. One on that consumer site, once for this specific forum. If the consumer site were a "Division" of "Truth Detectors, International", that would suggest that there were other divisions. Apparently there are none.

Let's get down to brass tacks, here. This site is a fraud. It's merely an ad posing as a consumer watch agency. It's no different than the ads in newspapers that are posing as legit columns (We've all seen those. This is why newspapers now box them and add, in small print to the top or bottom, "this is an advertisement" or just "advertisement".)

You've been cheated. There's no kind way to say it.
 
SurfCitySurvivor said:
There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.
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In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.
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There is a reason for that. There are a large number of people out there looking to part people not knowledgeable in the ways of critical thinking with their hard earned money. There are people like this Kinoki company, Sylvia Brown, "Doctor Frank and his pet spray", ect. who are blatantly ripping people off. We abhor that. We appear to be cynical because we are. We don't like seeing honest people ripped off, and it gets our hackles up. If they, or anyone else for that matter, could prove that these products work, we'd be more than happy to say that we were wrong. It just hasn't happened yet.
 
volantis said:
Actual testing has been done on these foot pads, you can read about it at the kenrico.com/sapsheet.html site. Scan down the page to see actual materials removed from the body. They also have a service where you can send your used pad in for analysis.
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I detect a person seeking out web discussions of this product. Would you be involved in selling this fraud, New Blood?

How is it you joined a year ago and show only one post but your name is so familiar? I'm having false memories or something. I can only see that Volantis is a common brand name and a star.
 
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Why do the woos think they can fool us? Anyone willing to ingest some mercury or lead and test the footpads??? Or uranium or plutonium...that would be waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cool.

glenn
 
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SurfCitySurvivor said:
There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.

Mahalo,

~T
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So are you a Volantis sock puppet or are there a couple of you out selling your product on forums which discuss it?

Yawn... Oh we are all so cynical. It couldn't possibly be that we know a scam when we see it, that this is one of a gazillion scams, that charcoal and sweat makes a pad black, that toxins cannot physiologically be pulled out of the bottom of your feet, that no evidence has been presented for the possibility of it working, let alone independent verification it actually did work.

The real mystery here is how does this crap sell so well that the sellers can afford to put on an infomercial. What a sad commentary on the sheeple world.
 
Consumer Watch Review

Now isn't that interesting. They seem to have only evaluated A SINGLE PRODUCT! Wonder how many domain names you had to try out before getting one that sounded official?

Really you guys, you should at least make an effort to fake a home page for CWR.
 
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SurfCitySurvivor said:
There seems to be an amazing number of negative thinkers of this site, people who, when you read their postings, are quick to slam just about anything that crosses their gloomy path.

After reading all the above-mentioned snake-oil, rip-off, ho-ho postings on this thread, I did a little digging and found a number of sites that have done testing on footpads. Consumer Watch Review offers the most interesting analysis. They list what their tests reveal to be the top performers (Kinoki was tested, but didn't make the cut).

I've ordered Detoxion, which seems to offer the most 'bang for your buck.' I'll report back in a few weeks with results. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy reading all the negative postings from the pseudo-scientists, doomsday proponents, and non-believers that are so prevalent on this site.
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I read this and thought, "wow, great satire"! Wish I could come up with something as good. But then, I realized he was serious.

"Consumer Watch Review" is a hoot. Just remove /footpatchreview.htm from the url and you have....are you ready? FOOTPATCH reviews! Just like Underwriters Labs reviews only "underwriters" I guess. They are trying to get readers to believe these items are in competition with each other, when in fact, near as I can tell, they are all the same company.

This one "pseudo-scientist" that won't be de-toxifying soon.

I'm trying to find a good way to phrase the question, but...Why do you believe this? It is such an obvious scam.
 
I'd rather not visit the site personally. I'm just wondering if anybody who has actually done that knows how much they charge for the analysis service. It might be a cheap way to do a crude check for, say, lead contamination on your FLOORS.
 
you can get the same effect using duct tape.
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*thinking...thinking* I got it!!!!


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Okay now, I just need to get to Home Depot, and I have to get a website up that has nothing to do with my product.... I wonder if "Consumer Fraud Protection.com" has been taken.......

......uhm.. I don't think I meant to type that last bit........
 
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