Khadaffi's Nurse has left him...

[Darth Rotor]

Why the love affair with Khadaffi, Bill?
Just another attempt to be daring and edgy?
Saying we should not get involved militarly is one thing, to whitewash Khadaffi is another.

Bill will soon provide evidence of snow in Libya being the result of nuclear testing ...

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Why the love affair with Khadaffi, Bill?
Just another attempt to be daring and edgy?
Saying we should not get involved militarly is one thing, to whitewash Khadaffi is another.

I think he's parodying the Ron Paul types who constantly state in a Baghdad Bob manner that "it's not our problem"

 

[KingMerv00]

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Uh, yes. That's my avatar. Why did you post it?

According to the way you see things, Muhammad would be classified as a "tyrant" and the spread of Islam is something you would call "collateral damage".

By "collateral damage" I meant the death of innocent people.

And yet, ironically, it is the Liberals in the USA who would defend Islam as a religion of peace and insist on such hog wash as "there are radicals in every religion". To me this is glaring and unavoidable proof that the political Left in the USA is ignorant, uneducated and delusional.

My dislike of Gaddafi stems from the fact he is a dictator, not the fact he is Muslim.

Let's stick to the facts:
1. Kadaffy is not a tyrant. Show me proof if you think he is. You would not falsely accuse someone, I assume. What makes you think that he is?

For starters, Libya has one of the least free presses on Earth. I mentioned this in another thread but you never responded.

2. The USA is hypercritical in protesting his attacks on "unarmed protestors". The USA National Guard mowed down peaceful unarmed protestors in Ohio during the Vietnam war. Were any of those responsible ever brought to trial? Did any country in the world protest this by sanctions or freezing foreign assets of the American officials?
3. What about all horror the ATF has inflected on people? They fire first and ask questions later. The only reason why Wacco got into the news is that the Branch Dividians managed to engage them initially and kick their ass.

The fact is, if any group in the USA gets together and the American government thinks they are serious about taking over the Government, the American government would probably squish them.

All pointless tu quoque. Even if America is a run in an oppressive way, it doesn't mean Libya is somehow free.

 

[KingMerv00]

Bill?

 

[Toke]

There is talk of NATO getting involved.
It looks like a situation where air power alone could make the difference, without sending in any troops.

The rebels would likely appreciate a phone call from a friendly carrier offering support.

 

[Darth Rotor]

There is talk of NATO getting involved.
It looks like a situation where air power alone could make the difference, without sending in any troops.

If you have 71 days to work with, as happened to be the case in re Serbia ...

NATO air power may make a difference, but that does not mean it will solve the problem ... and by the way, can you identify to me what problem you are trying to solve by sending in NATO air?

 

[WildCat]

Misogynistic.

That's only half the story... I'm a misanthropist at heart.

 

[Toke]

If you have 71 days to work with, as happened to be the case in re Serbia ...

NATO air power may make a difference, but that does not mean it will solve the problem ... and by the way, can you identify to me what problem you are trying to solve by sending in NATO air?

Last I heard the rebels had lost a town, I am sure* that air support would be helpful for them.
If they get help from NATO they are less likely to proclaim the US and west in general the "Great Satan". The overturned election in Algiria suggest a choise between religious nutters and dictators, with the west generally supporting the dictators.

Here might be a chance to give democracy a good reputation?

*No, I know little of rebelions and air support, but it must have some use?

 

[bencg]

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I think you do not know anything about Libya or Kadaffi or the history of the region or the psychology of the people. Am I right?

And I notice you use a lot of Western terms like "tyrant" and "collateral damage". I think you are rooted in a mindset foreign to Islam and the Mid East. Am I right?

It has been my personal expience that the Western News Media does not tell the truth. What is more is that it is not their business to explain complex issues to you so that you understand what the real story is. That is up to you. But I have noticed that human beings in the USA and other Western countries are much too lazy to do their own research or even think for themselves. It just might be possible that there is a large segment of the population in Libya who are willing to die for Kadaffi. This is an idea that is beyond most Westerners to even imagine or accept as even possibly being true. Just wait. Time will tell.

According to the way you see things, Muhammad would be classified as a "tyrant" and the spread of Islam is something you would call "collateral damage". And yet, ironically, it is the Liberals in the USA who would defend Islam as a religion of peace and insist on such hog wash as "there are radicals in every religion". To me this is glaring and unavoidable proof that the political Left in the USA is ignorant, uneducated and delusional.

Let's stick to the facts:
1. Kadaffy is not a tyrant. Show me proof if you think he is. You would not falsely accuse someone, I assume. What makes you think that he is?
2. The USA is hypercritical in protesting his attacks on "unarmed protestors". The USA National Guard mowed down peaceful unarmed protestors in Ohio during the Vietnam war. Were any of those responsible ever brought to trial? Did any country in the world protest this by sanctions or freezing foreign assets of the American officials?
3. What about all horror the ATF has inflected on people? They fire first and ask questions later. The only reason why Wacco got into the news is that the Branch Dividians managed to engage them initially and kick their ass.

The fact is, if any group in the USA gets together and the American government thinks they are serious about taking over the Government, the American government would probably squish them.

Apart from that, we do not have the right to protest another culture's way of doing things -- unless, of couse we are willing to step up to the plate and insist that Islam is not a good thing. Insulting the Prophet Muhammed in many Mid East cultures is a death sentence. The Green Book is based on many Islamic traditions.

To say Khadaffi does not have a right to slaughter people trying to take over his government is wrong on many levels. What is more is that he might win. What would we say then after our government is guilty of aiding the people fighting him?
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There is clearly another side to this war. It is one that is distasteful to the Western Press and does not get reported on because of this. The fact is, Khaddaffi's days are not numbered. He might win. And, as this and many other pictures show, He has people on his side as well as a military. Did you think, by the way, that the protestors in Tienimin Square in China were going to win?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2011-03/02/content_12098488.htm

I cannot believe this is a sincere post. Its impossible to think you are really a moral relativist of the nth degree who thinks we have no right to criticise other cultures. So you appear to be playing some game where you pose as a... well something unpleasant. Its not entirely clear what your agenda is though, maybe its as simple as trying to equivocate Gadaffi with Islam? As dumb as that would be its about the only coherent content in your rambings.

Why the games? Do you have any honest comment on the situation in Libya? Or do you just like to yank peoples chains? Or maybe you are just obsessed with your own personal agenda? (even when real world changing events are playing out...)

FSM forbid if you have double poe'd me.

 

[bencg]

If you have 71 days to work with, as happened to be the case in re Serbia ...

NATO air power may make a difference, but that does not mean it will solve the problem ... and by the way, can you identify to me what problem you are trying to solve by sending in NATO air?

I have been wondering myself how much practical help a no-fly zone will be. From what I have read libyan jets are being used to strike at rebel held ammunition dumps but so far thats about all that has been reported of either jets or helicopters being used against the rebels/civilians.

If UN sanctioned air power does get involved it will send a big political message, its hard to estimate what effect this would have on either pro or anti gadaffi forces. Gadaffi is a spin machine, how effective his propaganda is right now in Libya is uncertain (obviously it is ludicrous to outsiders), and maybe it would boost the rebels if they had more concrete support from the UN, but they are walking some kind of tightrope on these issues; witness the UK diplomatic delegation arrested and released by rebels this weekend.

To turn the tide of battle might take a more pro-active approach, maybe just by airpower with aggressive strikes on gadaffi forces. But it could well take ground forces to be effectual. I don't see the UN (or NATO) doing this in a hurry but things might change if the situation drags on for a while.

And who knows if someone like the Egytpian army in their new role as 'custodian of the people' would/could get involved? It probably wouldn't take very much effort by a regional power to put down the Gadaffi regime (his army is crap, all his power is in paramilitary police types) but the political fallout could be nasty.

Only one thing is certain, Libyans sure do live in interesting times.