Kevin Barrett interviews Frank Greening

Pardalis said:
ETA: and he's totally buying into that red chip nonsense...
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Actually, towards the ends of the interview he seems rather critical of Jones' work, and his refusal to be open about his findings. He's suggesting a double blind test to confirm the findings, which is good.

ETA: boy, Greening really gets good skeptical points towards the end. He stumps Barrett as to what exactly happened, how the TM doesn't have a coherent theory.
 
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RedIbis said:
I wasn't addressing why he was banned. I was responding to edx's comment which should have been easy to understand. He was wondering where Greening went so wrong and started spewing truther rubbish, not where Greening went wrong on jref.
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Umm except you do a GREAT Twoof job there.

it all went wrong when he started examining NIST...

so you talk about him being banned, and then infer because of his NIST analysis... And leave out his rather OUT OF BOUNDS public behavior towards another member....

Just like all the other twoof evidence...
 
Dave Rogers said:
Posted yesterday by Metamars on The 9/11 Forum; apparently Kevin Barrett is interviewing Frank Greening this morning.

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/dr-g-former-darling-of-jref-anti-9-11-truth-debunkers-t200.html



Yes, folks, you heard it here first: Frank Greening is the only honest, independent scientist in the world who doesn't believe that the WTC collapses weren't controlled demolitions.

What a bizarre world Kevin Barrett must live in. Presumably his definition of "honest, independent" is a rather... special one. I'm not claiming that Frank isn't either, since he strikes me as both honest and independent to an almost excessive degree; but I have to wonder whether I'm dishonest, or just dependent.

Dave
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I guess Kevin Barrat thinks that scientists communicate their results on the YouTube comment section of 9/11 videos. If he actually read peer-reviewed papers from accredited journals, he might find more than one, or 100.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4355078&postcount=165
 
Updated List

Performance based structural fire engineering for modern building design
Rini, D., Lamont, S. 2008 Proceedings of the 2008 Structures Congress - Structures Congress 2008: Crossing the Borders 314

Engineering perspective of the collapse of WTC-I
Irfanoglu, A., Hoffmann, C.M. 2008 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 22 (1),

Collapse of towers as applied to September 11 events
Cherepanov, G.P. 2008 Materials Science 44 (4), pp. 489-499

Modeling pre-evacuation delay by occupants in World Trade Center Towers 1 and 2 on September 11, 2001
Kuligowski, E.D., Mileti, D.S. 2008 Fire Safety Journal

World Trade Center building disaster: Stimulus for innovations
Kodur, V.K.R. 2008 Indian Concrete Journal 82 (1), pp. 23-31

A collective undergraduate class project reconstructing the September 11, 2001 world trade center fire
Marshall, A., Quintiere, J. 2007 ASEE Annual Conference and Exposition, Conference Proceedings

"A new era": The limits of engineering expertise in a post-9/11 world
Pfatteicher, S.K.A. 2007 International Symposium on Technology and Society, Proceedings, art. no. 4362228

Progressive collapse of the World Trade Center: Simple analysis
Seffen, K.A. 2008 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 134 (2), pp. 125-132

Scale modeling of the 96th floor of world trade center tower 1
Wang, M., Chang, P., Quintiere, J., Marshall, A. 2007 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 21 (6), pp. 414-421

Failure of welded floor truss connections from the exterior wall during collapse of the world trade center towers
Banovic, S.W., Siewert, T.A. 2007 Welding Journal (Miami, Fla) 86 (9), pp. 263-s-272-s

The collapse of the world trade center towers: A metallurgist's view
Gayle, F.W. 2007 MRS Bulletin 32 (9), pp. 710-716

Building code changes reflect world trade center investigation
Hansen, B. 2007 Civil Engineering 77 (9), pp. 22+24-25

Fire load in a steel building design
Razdolsky, L. 2008 Proceedings of the 4th International Structural Engineering and Construction Conference, ISEC-4 - Innovations in Structural Engineering and Construction 2, pp. 1163-1167

The structural steel of the World Trade Center towers
Gayle, F.W., Banovic, S.W., Foecke, T., Fields, R.J., Luecke, W.E., McColskey, J.D., McCown, C., Siewert, T.A. 2006 Journal of Failure Analysis and Prevention 6 (5), pp. 5-8

Progressive collapse of structures: Annotated bibliography and comparison of codes and standards
Mohamed, O.A. 2006 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 20 (4), art. no. 001604QCF, pp. 418-425

A simple model of the World Trade Center fireball dynamics
Baum, H.R., Rehm, R.G., Quintiere, J.G. 2005 Proceedings of the Combustion Institute 30 II, pp. 2247-2254

Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center
Karim, M.R., Hoo Fatt, M.S. 2005 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 131 (10), pp. 1066-1072

High-fidelity simulation of large-scale structures
Hoffmann, C., Sameh, A., Grama, A. 2005 Lecture Notes in Computer Science 3515 (II), pp. 664-671

Collapses of the world trade center towers
[No author name available] 2005 Indian Concrete Journal 79 (8), pp. 11-16

Industry updates: Fireproofing, staircases cited in World Trade Center report
[No author name available] 2005 Journal of Failure Analysis and Prevention 5 (4), pp. 34

September 11 and fracture mechanics - A retrospective
Cherepanov, G.P. 2005 International Journal of Fracture 132 (2), pp. L25-L26

Structural responses of World Trade Center under aircraft attacks
Omika, Y., Fukuzawa, E., Koshika, N., Morikawa, H., Fukuda, R. 2005 Journal of Structural Engineering 131 (1), pp. 6-15

Impact of the 2001 World Trade Center attack on critical interdependent infrastructures
Mendonça, D., Lee II, E.E., Wallace, W.A. 2004 Conference Proceedings - IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man and Cybernetics 5, pp. 4053-4058

Use of high-efficiency energy absorbing device to arrest progressive collapse of tall building
Zhou, Q., Yu, T.X. 2004 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 130 (10), pp. 1177-1187

Progressive analysis procedure for progressive collapse
Marjanishvili, S.M. 2004 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 18 (2), pp. 79-85

Lessons learned on improving resistance of buildings to terrorist attacks
Corley, W.G. 2004 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 18 (2), pp. 68-78

Anatomy of a disaster: A structural investigation of the World Trade Center collapses
Abboud, N., Levy, M., Tennant, D., Mould, J., Levine, H., King, S., Ekwueme, C., (...), Hart, G. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 360-370

World Trade Center disaster: Damage/debris assessment
Thater, G.G., Panariello, G.F., Cuoco, D.A. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 383-392

How did the WTC towers collapse: A new theory
Usmani, A.S., Chung, Y.C., Torero, J.L. 2003 Fire Safety Journal 38 (6), pp. 501-533

Microstructural analysis of the steels from Buildings 7, & 1 or 2 from the World Trade Center
Biederman, R.R., Sullivan, E.M., Sisson Jr., R.D., Vander Voort, G.F. 2003 Microscopy and Microanalysis 9 (SUPPL. 2), pp. 550-551

Brannigan, F.L.
"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.

Analysis of the thermal exposure in the impact areas of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks
Beyler, C., White, D., Peatross, M., Trellis, J., Li, S., Luers, A., Hopkins, D. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 371-382

Clifton, Charles G.
Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers
HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

"Construction and Collapse Factors"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.

Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y.
"Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf)
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.

Corbett, G.P.
"Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster"
Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.

"Dissecting the Collapses"
Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.

Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C.
"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation"
JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.

Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor.
World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations
(also available on-line)

Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A.
"Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center"
The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.

"Collapse Lessons"
Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103

Marechaux, T.G.
"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering"
JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.

Monahan, B.
"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations"
Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.

Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D.
"Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?"
Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.

National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs
“Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center”
Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.

Pinsker, Lisa, M.
"Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site"
Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001).
The print copy has 3-D images.

Public Broadcasting Station (PBS)
Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary.
NOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online)

Post, N.M.
"No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report"
ENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14.

Post, N.M.
"Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing"
ENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14.

The University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering
World Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects
A resource site.

"WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives"
ENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.
 
Arus808 said:
Nice that RedIbis has to lie about why Greening was banned here, when all one has to do is find the actual reason.

He was banned because HE attempted (or did) contact a member's employer to get that MEMBER to remove posts that were critical of Greening's statements and made LEGAL threats to that employer

all can be found here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117412
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In Red's defense (I can't believe I'm doing this), Red never said what you think he said.

This is what he responded to:

Edx said:
According to 911 Blogger, Greening is Apollo20 and after reading a thread with him in I have to say Im very confused. He seems to come out with most of the tired old truther rubbish, where did it all go wrong?
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RedIbis said:
I wasn't addressing why he was banned. I was responding to edx's comment which should have been easy to understand. He was wondering where Greening went so wrong and started spewing truther rubbish, not where Greening went wrong on jref.
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Red never implied anything about the reasons behind his banning.
 
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Pardalis said:
Red never implied anything about the reasons behind his banning.
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No, but he was still wrong. One of Frank's first posts here - maybe his first, I'm not sure - was proposing his ammonia peroxide conjecture. Now, I suspect that was just a stalking-horse to demonstrate the difficulties of approaching conspiracy theories from the point of view of physical anomalies, but the truth is that Frank always posted some conspiratorial views here, from day one. Red's suggestion that it all went wrong when he started criticising NIST is simply fantasy.

Dave
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
Collapse of towers as applied to September 11 events
Cherepanov, G.P. 2008 Materials Science 44 (4), pp. 489-499

September 11 and fracture mechanics - A retrospective
Cherepanov, G.P. 2005 International Journal of Fracture 132 (2), pp. L25-L26
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Don't take these two seriously. Cherepanov isn't a conspiracy theorist, but he's addicted to a different form of woo; he thinks that steel buildings are so highly stressed that a single shock can shatter them instantly like glass. He wrote a couple of papers based on a complete failure even to look at the real world features of the collapse, which simply don't bear the most superficial critical examination. I've commented on them here in the past; they're very, very bad.

And yet they got through a genuine peer review, unlike anything by Steven Jones. Funny, that.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Don't take these two seriously. Cherepanov isn't a conspiracy theorist, but he's addicted to a different form of woo; he thinks that steel buildings are so highly stressed that a single shock can shatter them instantly like glass. He wrote a couple of papers based on a complete failure even to look at the real world features of the collapse, which simply don't bear the most superficial critical examination. I've commented on them here in the past; they're very, very bad.

And yet they got through a genuine peer review, unlike anything by Steven Jones. Funny, that.

Dave
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I remember reading Bazant's critique of those papers. Funny how no truther parrots them to disprove the "official story". Proof they don't read peer-reviewed papers. It's either YouTube videos or nothing.
 
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Pardalis said:
In Red's defense (I can't believe I'm doing this), Red never said what you think he said.

Red never implied anything about the reasons behind his banning.
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While I agree with your point that when examining the post RED was responding to his comment isn't directly stating he was banned for talking about NIST.

I must apologize to RED, because I had my own twoofer reading comprehension moment. I took his statement out of context.

"Greening is Apollo20 who was banned here about a year ago. Apparently, it all went wrong when Greening started scrutinizing NIST's collapse hypotheses."

By itself, it appears to conflate the issues... RED I am sorry that I was wrong. You were making two distinct points.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I haven't seen that - is it online?

Dave
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I have limited access since the last time I was on. IIRC, It was a section of a paper, and not a full paper. I don't have access to this paper anymore but it MIGHT be in here. I'm going strictly on memory

Closure to "Mechanics of progressive collapse: Learning from world trade center and building demolitions" by Zdeněk P. Bažant and Mathieu Verdure
Source: Journal of engineering mechanics [0733-9399] Bažant yr:2008 vol:134 iss:10 pg:917 -923

I remember, the critique was very brief
 
UNLoVedRebel said:
I have limited access since the last time I was on. IIRC, It was a section of a paper, and not a full paper. I don't have access to this paper anymore but it MIGHT be in here. I'm going strictly on memory

Closure to "Mechanics of progressive collapse: Learning from world trade center and building demolitions" by Zdeněk P. Bažant and Mathieu Verdure
Source: Journal of engineering mechanics [0733-9399] Bažant yr:2008 vol:134 iss:10 pg:917 -923

I remember, the critique was very brief
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Like this?
 
T.A.M. said:
Frank is an honest scientist, sometimes to a fault, as I get the impression he wants to believe in the CTs, but will always believe the science first...so he ends up arguing here (before he was banned) while at the same time arguing with the idiots who claim to be the truth movement "scientists".

He has been burned by beurocracy and ill doings in his previous employed positions, and I think, IMO, this has effected how he approaches the whole thing. Still despite that, he insists (unlike Jones and others) that the science comes first.

TAM:)
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Frank G is co-author with Bazant of the infamous BLGB-paper based on no science at all!
 
Pardalis said:
In Red's defense (I can't believe I'm doing this), Red never said what you think he said.

This is what he responded to:




Red never implied anything about the reasons behind his banning.
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Unfortunately, he answered a question about WHERE with a WHEN.
 
bill smith said:
Did yu listen to this interview from today ? He seems to hang NIST .
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Yea, except for that little bit about NOT believing it was an inside job. You'd be much better received, actually, if 1. you actually had some relevant expertise or experience, and 2. if you used that to find valid issues with NIST, a la Dr. Quintiere.

But, alas, you're just another truther arguing from ignorance. NO legitimate expert believes the collapses could not have occurred due to the damage and resulting fires. Not even Greening.
 
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