Kerry is History -- Final Nail...

Gary Gordon said:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-nws-novak27.html

This basically seals Kerry's fate. Funny how political pundits are slow to recognize how damaging this whole thing is. By tomorrow or the next day look for a few columnists to point out Kerry's coming demise.

Getting a Purple Heart for accidentally scraping your arm on a gun?.... and then applying for a medal when your superior officer told you to "forget about it"?

Very damaging.

It was already looking bad for Kerry, over the last 3 days or so.

This race is over.
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Just because someone lies doesn't mean their support will cease. Afterall look at Bush.
 
Gary Gordon said:
Meaning that he probably "pursued" the medal.
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Can you provide any evidence that he "probably pursued" the medal?

Gary Gordon said:
In any case, he could have refused it on principle. Principle is the thing in question here, make no mistake.
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What principle is that?
 
CFLarsen said:
Can you provide any evidence that he "probably pursued" the medal?



What principle is that?
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The principle of not accepting a Purple Heart when you didn't earn it.
 
Gary Gordon said:
The principle of not accepting a Purple Heart when you didn't earn it.
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Medals are not awarded because you yourself feel you've earned it. Clearly, other people felt he earned it, and awarded him three Purple Hearts.

Can you provide any evidence that he "probably pursued" the medal?
 
corplinx said:

And no, he isn't sleaze for "outing" her. This subject has been thoroughly gone over and as it turns it, her and her husband are borderline traitors who tried to cover up weapons dealing in Niger.
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Coo coo. Coo coo. That from another Novak collumn?
 
TragicMonkey said:
"If I'm elected senator, the seas will run red with the blood of the innocent, for I am the Queen of the Vampires and will be slaughtering your babies directly. Resistance is futile. Women in berets will be shot on sight." -- her first campaign speech.
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Oh. Well, I liked the "women in berets" part.
 
crimresearch said:
"...Medals are not awarded because you yourself feel you've earned it..."

Evidence?
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I've not heard of a soldier being awarded, because he felt like it. If you have contrary evidence, I would like to hear it.

There are, of course, a long line of examples of state leaders who have awarded themselves medals, but I don't think Kerry fit that description - at least not when he received the medals!
 
Your statement seemed like a flat assertion that no one could put themselves in for a medal, and receive it as a matter of course.

Both Ollie North and LBJ would seem to be cases to the contrary...yes other human beings were involved in the process of accepting and blindly processing the paperwork and rubber stamping the requests, but in practice, a few self promoting 'ticket punchers' in the military (as in other aspects of life), DO get medals because they have figured out how to 'game the system'...not leaving it up to the good auspices of others to nominate and promote them for medals, but following a 'do-it-yourself' path towards such things.

So I am just questioning the blanket nature of the notion, in as much as further assumptions seemed predicated on it.
 
CFLarsen said:
I've not heard of a soldier being awarded, because he felt like it. If you have contrary evidence, I would like to hear it.
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Hermann Göring.
 
LW said:
Hermann Göring.
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Oh, come on! We are not talking about people who have the power to to it, but about soldiers in the field.

I already pointed this out. Sheesh...
 
CFLarsen said:
Oh, come on! We are not talking about people who have the power to to it, but about soldiers in the field.
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Göring got a big number of medals from sources that weren't under his control. For example, he got Vapaudenristi first class from Finland. In this case a German officer contacted Finnish government and said that Reichsmarshall would appreciate if he received some high-ranking Finnish award. So he was given one, but he received only a civilian version of the medal, not the military one.

Soldiers receiving medals based on "good-brother" deals are nothing new. Happens all the time. I'd like to quote Finnish humorist Armas J. Pulla on this: "Homefront medals are just like Russian bombs, they only hit the innocent." However, I've not seen enough evidence to convince me that Kerry's medals are such but to be honest I've not actively search evidence for a direction or another.
 
LW said:
Göring got a big number of medals from sources that weren't under his control. For example, he got Vapaudenristi first class from Finland. In this case a German officer contacted Finnish government and said that Reichsmarshall would appreciate if he received some high-ranking Finnish award. So he was given one, but he received only a civilian version of the medal, not the military one.
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Did he think he earned it, and awarded it himself? If no, then it is entirely beside the point.

LW said:
Soldiers receiving medals based on "good-brother" deals are nothing new. Happens all the time. I'd like to quote Finnish humorist Armas J. Pulla on this: "Homefront medals are just like Russian bombs, they only hit the innocent." However, I've not seen enough evidence to convince me that Kerry's medals are such but to be honest I've not actively search evidence for a direction or another.
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I am not talking about "good-brother" deals. I am talking about a soldier being awarded because he felt like it.

Am I not speaking proper English here?
 
CFLarsen said:
Did he think he earned it, and awarded it himself? If no, then it is entirely beside the point.
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He most probably thought that he deserved it and started the motions to get it to himself. And how exactly would he have awarded it to himself as he was a German and the medal was Finnish? In case they don't teach geography anymore in Denmark, let me tell you that Finland and Germany are two different countries that have never shared government. (Except for small parts of Northern Germany in the 17th century)

I say it doesn't matter who actually does the awarding thing if the whole motivation of the award comes from the suggestion of the recipient and he uses his personal network of powerful friends to pull it through.
 
LW said:
He most probably thought that he deserved it and started the motions to get it to himself. And how exactly would he have awarded it to himself as he was a German and the medal was Finnish? In case they don't teach geography anymore in Denmark, let me tell you that Finland and Germany are two different countries that have never shared government. (Except for small parts of Northern Germany in the 17th century)
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You don't need to adopt a patronizing tone when talking to me. I know history pretty well. If you don't know how Göring got his medals, why don't you just go check and get back, when you have an answer?

LW said:
I say it doesn't matter who actually does the awarding thing if the whole motivation of the award comes from the suggestion of the recipient and he uses his personal network of powerful friends to pull it through.
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Fine with me. It has nothing to do with my point, then.
 
from Gary Gordon:
Funny how political pundits are slow to recognize how damaging this whole thing is.
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Funny how some people don't ask themselves why said pundits - who, after all, are on the case as a full time job - don't take it seriously. And perhaps find out.
 
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