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Kerry Infidelity?

Well, Clancie has said this kind of thing before and I have disagreed with her before, obviously she has yet to succumb to the force of my greater intellectual power in this matter so I will try again.

If somebody cheated on his business partner would that be a relevant fact about the person in an election campaign?

If that is relevant, then why is somebody cheating on his wife not a relevant fact?

If neither of those things are relevant are there any facts related to integrity failures in private life that are relevant?

I don't want you to worry about one thing here Clancie, I am going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of whether he has had an affair or two. I do think that it is a relevant fact for somebody deciding whether to vote for a person or not. I just think in this case I have decided to vote against Bush and an affair by his opponent wouldn't be enough to make me change my mind. Just like the routine drumbeat of Democrats for class warfare or their support of stupid, populist, counterproductive programs isn't enough to keep me from voting for their candidate in this case. ;)
 
As long as we're talking about infidelity, let's not forget the president's brother!
 
Posted by Lurker

Still wondering why these people were not reviled by the religious right and the Republicans.
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Lurker,

Yes, why aren't they? :confused: And Gingrich was particularly despicable. What kind of a man tells his wife that he's leaving her for another woman while she's in the recovery room after surgery for ovarian cancer? I can't even stand to see his smirking face, he repulses me so. :(
Posted by davefoc

Well, Clancie has said this kind of thing before and I have disagreed with her before, obviously she has yet to succumb to the force of my greater intellectual power in this matter so I will try again.
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Lol. And never give up, davefoc! You are now a fellow Dem--at least for Nov 2004! We Dems bicker with each other constantly! :)
If somebody cheated on his business partner would that be a relevant fact about the person in an election campaign?
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Okay, let's see. Let's say Kerry stole money...or accounts...from his business partner and profited from doing it at his partner's expense. Would that be unethical enough for me to reconsider him as a president?

Probably, yes. I'd take that much more seriously than I would if he cheated on his wife. Why? Because business conduct is an indication of how you do your job, and running for President is basically applying for a job.

But marital infideltiy, which to me involves the private issues of love and sex, has nothing at all to do with the business of running the country.

I don't want you to worry about one thing here Clancie, I am going to vote for the Democratic candidate regardless of whether he has had an affair or two.
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This is so interesting, davefoc, as I know you would have given such a decision a tremendous amount of thought. I'd be really interested to know what has so turned you away from Bush. (And, what's your read of other Republicans that you know? Do you think most are satisfied with the job he's doing, on the fence, or generally displeased?)
I do think that it is a relevant fact for somebody deciding whether to vote for a person or not.
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Well, I'll think about it. I just don't quite understand -why- you feel it is relevant. Is it because someone who doesn't have the character to honor a marital commitment might not have the character to do a good job as President?
 
Guys, this stuff is completely unsubstantiated beyond the Drudge site. Let's face it, Drudge isn't Captain Reliable. He specializes in "political gossip," not journalism.

Google it--there's nothing on it showing up beyond references to Drudge. If "three journalists affirm" Clark made that statement, you'd think it would pop up on the web somewhere beyond Drudge's site.

This whole thing might well be BS.
 
davefoc said:
I just think in this case I have decided to vote against Bush and an affair by his opponent wouldn't be enough to make me change my mind. Just like the routine drumbeat of Democrats for class warfare or their support of stupid, populist, counterproductive programs isn't enough to keep me from voting for their candidate in this case.
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For some reason, this ringing endorsement made my day. "God this guy is a phony, obnoxious dick but here I am voting for him because the alternative seems even worse". Welcome to the Democratic party, dude. Perhaps you could be in charge of writing our bumper stickers?
 
Weird how people are trying to smear the right wing from this. Not one shred it is they behind it. I guess I will post this gem again:

The Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.
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Clark says Kerry will implode over an intern problem. Dean is staying in hopes this will destroy Kerry.

I just can't see the Great Right Wing Conspiracy here.
 
Cleon said:
Guys, this stuff is completely unsubstantiated beyond the Drudge site. Let's face it, Drudge isn't Captain Reliable. He specializes in "political gossip," not journalism.

Google it--there's nothing on it showing up beyond references to Drudge. If "three journalists affirm" Clark made that statement, you'd think it would pop up on the web somewhere beyond Drudge's site.

This whole thing might well be BS.
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The only thing Drudge verified was the Clark quote, there is no verification of the affair.

People wonder why this is a big deal, of course it is a big deal because its supposed to have been recent. Sorta like the Gennifer Flowers thing. It says a lot about a man that he doesn't clean up his act before a calculated run for the presidency.

For the religious right, I guess he needs to do like Dubya and repeat a 30 second prayer at a BIlly Graham crusade so it will magically go away.
 
Wait. Didn't Gephardt say that Clark was really a closet Republican? So there it is. Clark was sent in as the right wing's man just to plant this Kerry infidelity story from inside. His cover was so good that Michael Moore fell for it.

Now that the seed has been planted, Clark has dropped out of the race.

Just too many coincidences here, folks. The Right Wing Conspiracy THeory must be true!
 
Luke T. said:

Clark says Kerry will implode over an intern problem. Dean is staying in hopes this will destroy Kerry.

I just can't see the Great Right Wing Conspiracy here.
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Unless Drudge made it up out of whole cloth to try and discredit Kerry. Wouldn't be the first time he's done something like this--remember the looting of Air Force One that never happened?

Like I said, if you're looking for reliability, Drudge isn't the place to go. Gossip, not journalism, and sometimes not even that.
 
American said:
I already started a better thread on this.
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Not that it matters but mine was up an hour before yours.

You may want to make sure a thread isn't up on the same topic the next time you post.

I forgive you.
 
Cleon said:


Unless Drudge made it up out of whole cloth to try and discredit Kerry. Wouldn't be the first time he's done something like this--remember the looting of Air Force One that never happened?

Like I said, if you're looking for reliability, Drudge isn't the place to go. Gossip, not journalism, and sometimes not even that.
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It has only just begun. Too juicy for the major newsies to ignore. Wait another hour or two.
 
I just think that it is fun that we already have "Kerry Apologists". You mention that there is a rumor that he has had a recent affair and people go nuts talking about republicans who had affairs.

It amazes me these knee jerk reactions people have to slam imaginary opponents who don't even exist yet.

People are already pulling out their lists of republicans who had affairs for goodness sake? Are any of them trying to clinch a presidential nomination right now? NO! Kerry is, thats why this is news and thats why the implications are worth discussing.

This "circle the wagons" mode that at least 3 of you have already adopted shows a weakness of skeptical thinking.

Drop the republican-moralists-attacking-hypocrits template already. There is a much more interesting story in here in who is behind this story and why it came out now.
 
Luke T. said:
Don't forget who broke the Monica Lewinski story.

Drudge.
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Sure. The guy isn't always wrong, and he doesn't always fabricate. That said, he has done so in the past, with the apparent intent of discrediting a Democrat, so it does make certain claims suspect.

Sure, the media will pick it up--they picked up the Air Force One story, too (then conveniently ignored it when it turned out the whole thing was BS). But that doesn't make it valid. With Clark endorsing Kerry, it makes the story very, very suspicious IMHO.
 
Posted by corplinx

The only thing Drudge verified was the Clark quote
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Where's his verification of that, corplinx? All I see is Drudge attributing Clark's quote to three unnamed journalists. No sources, no video or audio tape...zip.

Is that "verification"? Then, yes, you should hear the things four unnamed journalists said the other day about the criminal record parts that are blacked out of Bush's recently released military record....

I mean, seriously, unnamed people are -not- "verification" of anything!
 
I am getting wistful for the days when the Democrats were attacking the tax cuts and the Republicans were attacking Iraq and the Alaskan permafrost.
 
Luke T. said:
I am getting wistful for the days when the Democrats were attacking the tax cuts and the Republicans were attacking Iraq and the Alaskan permafrost.
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Hehehe...

Just to point out, though I hate having to say this every time I chime in on a Demo vs. Repub thread, I'm not a Democrat. I don't vote for them, don't support them, I think they're just as full of $#!@ as the Republicans. I won't be voting for Kerry, affair or no.

I just don't think Drudge is a reliable news source and take his "exclusives" with a grain of salt.
 
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