Merged Kent Hovind's dissertation is available online

Thanks Maia and LLH for your input. Steve S I will check the videos out too.
I tried to read it, 7 pages was enough for me to wonder what age of education he was at? That is not the writings of a university level, it isnt even at the level of NVQ over here. Even if it made sense or was right, it still would not be academically sound enough to pass any mark!
 
Sideroxylon said:
I imagine he'd have the same message for them as well as the clowns at Answers in Genesis and WOTM.
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Well, I don't know now... It seems AiG and Hovind aren't on speaking terms. They tried to tell him to STFU about various of his more outrageous claims. There is a section in Kent HovindWP's biography in wiki about his falling out with various other creationists when they wouldn't support The Hovind Theory.
 
shadron said:
Well, I don't know now... It seems AiG and Hovind aren't on speaking terms. They tried to tell him to STFU about various of his more outrageous claims. There is a section in Kent HovindWP's biography in wiki about his falling out with various other creationists when they wouldn't support The Hovind Theory.
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I read that with much amusement. You’d have to be running pretty fast and loose with the truth to get told off by a fellow YEC or perhaps simply not clever enough in the way you go about it.

ETA Interesting read on the AiG/ Hovind disagreement here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060111073547/www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/1011hovind.asp
 
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KingMerv00 said:
Guess which of these is Patriot Bible University:

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I hear one day PBU is planning on adding a real live air conditioner.
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PatriotUniversity.jpg

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Franklin “Wayne” Knight

Franklin “Wayne” Knight, the person who signed off on Kent Hovind's dissertation and is Patriot "University's" president, pled guilty to two charges related to child abuse:

Pastor, school administration accused of covering up sex abuse
November 17, 2011
By LANCE BENZEL
THE GAZETTE


An El Paso County grand jury on Wednesday indicted a female teacher at a now-shuttered Christian school in Colorado Springs on charges of luring a sophomore boy into a sexual relationship.

Three others affiliated with Hilltop Baptist School — two administrators and the senior pastor of Hilltop Baptist Church, which operated it — were also charged Wednesday with failing to report the abuse.
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The former teacher, Terah Allyn Rawlings, 32, allegedly had sex with the then-15-year-old boy during the 2007-2008 school year and during the following summer, according to grand jury charging documents.

She was charged with four counts of sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust; four counts alleging a pattern of the same crime; and one count of promoting obscenity.

Also charged were Rawlings’ uncle, Hilltop Baptist Church senior pastor Franklin “Wayne” Knight, 63; her father, former school athletic director and associate pastor Raymond "Allen" Knight, 57; and former principal Jan Ocvirk, 51.

All three were tipped to the abuse but failed to comply with a state law requiring them to report it to law enforcement, the indictment alleges. Church workers and teachers are so-called “mandatory reporters,” meaning they must contact authorities if they are aware of allegations of sexual abuse on a child.

Wayne Knight was also charged with accessory to the abuse, a felony, with the grand jury finding that he “unlawfully and feloniously rendered assistance” to his niece. He is accused of ignoring three separate reports.
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Hilltop Baptist Church was founded in the late 1970s by Bill Knight, the current pastor's father, and has a congregation of 500 to 600 families, according to Bennett. The K-12 school closed last year after enrollment fell from 200 to 130 students, he said.
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Link: THE GAZETTE

More:
Teacher Fired For Reporting Sexual Allegations At Hilltop Baptist
Former Teacher, Coach Suing Church For Wrongful Termination
By TAK LANDROCK
November 17, 2011
KRDO NewsChannel 13

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A teacher who reported the alleged sexual assault of a 15-year-old boy by another teacher was fired by Hilltop Baptist School, according to court records obtained by TARGET 13.
Former math teacher Laurie Sutton told detectives that teacher Terah Rawlings was having sexual relations with one of her students.
Investigators with the El Paso County Sheriff’s office said Rawlings had a relationship with the unnamed teen from 2007 to 2008.
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Sutton claimed she was fired a month after reporting the crime.

As a school employee, Sutton was actually required by Colorado law to report such an incident.

Her attorney, John Torbet, told TARGET 13 that Sutton did the right thing only to meet dismissal.

“Looks like there must have been evidence of the administration failing to report this when they occurred,” Torbet said, speaking about the grand jury indictment.

Sutton claimed the school, now closed down, told students and teachers that she left voluntarily because of dishonesty, but court records state she feels that is “false and slanderous.”

Her husband, Dustin, was a volunteer coach at Hilltop, is also suing the school.

In January school sent TARGET 13 a written statement about the allegations,” There is absolutely no evidence of any wrong doing. Both parties involved, as well as the student’s parents, agree this is absurd and deny anything inappropriate took place.”

TARGET 13’s Tak Landrock stopped by the home of senior pastor Wayne Knight to see if he still stands behind the statement provided earlier this year, but he didn’t answer his door.
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More:
Former Christian school teacher accused of having sex with student for over a year while her father, her uncle and former principal all covered it up
By Paul Thompson
21 November 2011
Daily Mail


Rawlings's father, Raymond 'Allen' Knight, her uncle Franklin 'Wayne' Knight and the school's former principal Jan Ocvirk, all knew about the affair.
But all three failed to report the abuse and according to court documents deliberately told witnesses not to go the police.
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According to the affidavits, Wayne Knight, the senior pastor at Hilltop Baptist Church and a former superintendent of the school, displayed a consistent pattern to manipulate and control the situation--not only among the faculty at Hilltop Baptist School--but also among parent, church members and students.'

He allegedly told church members, 'if you persist with this, your relationship with the church will be damaged.'

The pastor also allegedly lied about having conducted a lie detector test.
Knight, who is no longer teaching, was charged with four counts of sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust; four counts alleging a pattern of the same crime; and one count of promoting obscenity.

Raymond Knight,57, faces charges of failure to report child abuse or neglect. He has posted a $300 bond.
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He pled guilty:

Arrested Pastor Takes Plea Deal In Child Abuse Case
Former Superintendent, Church Leader Plans To Move To Texas
Tak Landrock, Investigative Producer
KMGH-TV
February 28, 2012

The former church leader and superintendent of Hilltop Baptist Church in Colorado Springs entered a guilty plea in exchange for several charges being dropped by prosecutors.

Pastor Frankin "Wayne" Knight took the deal on Feb. 17. Knight pleaded guilty to being an accessory to a crime and failure to report suspected child abuse, according to court records.

Friends of Knight told CALL7 Investigators that he planned to move to Texas.

Lee Richards, spokeswoman for the El Paso County District Attorney's Office, confirmed the plea bargain.

She said Knight will have to do 150 hours of community service and he will have two-years of unsupervised probation.

El Paso County deputies arrested Knight last November after allegations he covered up a relationship between his niece, Terah Rawlings, 32, and a former student who was 15 years old at the time.
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In Colorado, teachers and administrators are among the professions bound by the state mandatory reporting law. If they suspect abuse or inappropriate activities against children, they are required to contact police or human services.
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Full: KMGH-TV


More on the scandal:
http://www.krdo.com/news/29796849/detail.html
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Teacher_Pastors_Indicted_In_Sex_Assault_Case_134056758.html
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/church-officials-teacher-arrested-in-new-sex-assault-case/
http://technorati.com/lifestyle/article/baptist-church-leaders-cover-up-sex/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/hilltop-baptist-school-child-sex-assault_n_1100149.html
http://www.gazette.com/articles/church-128752-school-teacher.html
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...having-sex-with-student-at-several-locations/
http://www.koaa.com/news/affidavits-spell-out-details-of-church-sex-scandal-cover-up/
 
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Davidlpf said:
From St Augustine

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.

– De Genesi ad literam 1:19–20, Chapt. 19 [AD 408]

Basically there might be people who know more on a subject than a person who just knows the bible or even Christian. This St Augustine seems a lot brighter than Hovind.
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Thanks for that quote, I wasn't aware of it. I very much doubt Hovind would see how apt it is.

Augustine was very clever, there's no doubt about that.

Couldn't read much of Hovind. I got to the point about pride. I consider much more humbling that I am part of the universe, not the reason the universe exists.
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There's a deep hypocrisy in believers claiming humility when they've invented a creator-made Universe that centres exactly on them (made in the likeness of that creator, no less). I have enough self-assurance not to care that I'm a product of chance.
 
Lucian said:
"Other countries" are full of evil heathens, secularists, atheists, Muslims and other undesirables.
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Tell me about it :rolleyes:.

They'll never get anywhere, certainly not heaven.
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I'll settle for Wales in a Grand Slam year.


I found it interesting that he said that he thinks Satan fell about 100 years after Adam and Eve. Where'd he get that from? If Satan hadn't already fallen, who tempted Eve? Just a really mischievous snake?
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The snake was Satan's agent, but God didn't give Eve any sort of hearing and was thus unaware of his favoured angel's perfidy, leaving Satan free to further develop his attempted coup over the next century. Then came the failed rebellion and the casting-out thing.

This material is all on the extended version of the DVD.
 
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Lucian said:
"Other countries" are full of evil heathens, secularists, atheists, Muslims and other undesirables.
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Tell me about it :rolleyes:.
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I had to go back and check what the hell I was talking about. Just to clarify, that post in no way represents my own estimation of "other countries."
 
After reading the review of the dissertation that pnerd linked to, Marduk is apparently right that they've moved into a new home.


Steve S
 
Gawdzilla said:
If you can get past the sixth page of the file you have me beat.
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I've got you beat hollow. It's a treasure which I will cherish for the rest of my life. What could equal this?
Voltair had a deist friend as a young man named Chateuneuf, a bachelor and probably a homosexual. During the French Revolution, Voltair tried to establish a ten-day work week instead of a seven day week just to try to get people away from the seven days of creation. This, of course, was a miserable failure.
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A few errors here, apart from the spelling of the miscreant's name. Voltaire died in 1778, eleven years before the Revolution began. That wouldn't have earned me a Doctorate at Glasgow University, but a punishment exercise at secondary school back in the fifties, probably after a dose of painful flagellation with the leather belt only too frequently brandished by the teachers.
 
Craig B said:
I've got you beat hollow. It's a treasure which I will cherish for the rest of my life. What could equal this? A few errors here, apart from the spelling of the miscreant's name. Voltaire died in 1778, eleven years before the Revolution began. That wouldn't have earned me a Doctorate at Glasgow University, but a punishment exercise at secondary school back in the fifties, probably after a dose of painful flagellation with the leather belt only too frequently brandished by the teachers.
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Good pickup. Typical of the disregard for the truth that the man exhibits when talking about evolution and age of the earth.
 
There are lunch trucks that have more academic gravitas than Patriot "University."
 
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