Kelly to the rescue!

Sherkeu, as you were writing this, you realized more and more you are invemting a Utopia, right? :p
 
Oystein said:
Sherkeu, as you were writing this, you realized more and more you are invemting a Utopia, right? :p
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Ha! :D Maybe.
It's like putting an obese person on a diet (or usually them putting themselves on one). Sometimes it fails right away, sometimes they can do it for a few months or maybe a year or more, and sometimes (under 5%?) it sticks. It's tough to overcome biology.

I'm just hoping for more than "fails right away".
 
I am hoping for "fails right away," first because it would be a compliment to Kelly's character, and second because maybe, just maybe, it might increase the possbility that some of Trump's supporters just might, maybe, realize that he's truly, incorrigibly unsuited to his position.
 
Spindrift said:
Kelly's first real test is the handling of the fake Fox News report about Seth Rich. He's got to find someone to hang it on and hopefully for Kelly he has candidates other than the POTUS.
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I do hope he can't - or better, at first it looks like he did and then another tird crawls out of the woodwork!!!! I want FAIL to be writ large on Trumpf's tombstone as the only epitaph!
 
bruto said:
I am hoping for "fails right away," first because it would be a compliment to Kelly's character, and second because maybe, just maybe, it might increase the possbility that some of Trump's supporters just might, maybe, realize that he's truly, incorrigibly unsuited to his position.
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This, also, would be acceptably nice!!!!!
 
Sherkeu said:
A military general will approach this position different than anyone in his family, associates, or career politics.

I think first he will do what he is familiar with. Objectives, Goals, Strategies, Tactics.
Get Trump to outline his objective. Then his major goals towards that objective. Kelly can then develop the strategy and tactics and change as needed.
There needs to be a clear agreement and a respect for the chain of command Kelly puts in place. He cannot guard the front door if the back door and all the windows are wide open. Anyone who hinders the objective is out (except Trump himself!).

If Kelly can convince him that a drastic change in culture is Trumps idea and get him to develop his own vision for it, it just might work. To get a culture of loyalty, extremely important to Trump, he will need to stop interfering with other government leaders and let Kelly handle any concerns the President has. Basically, Trump needs a job description he can follow.

When Trump starts getting praised for his restraint, perhaps it will enforce the new behaviors.

Kelly will need to be the Supernanny of all Supernannies to pull it off.
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Who's the kid hiding behind you?
 
Oystein said:
...I agree in fact that it is probably Kelly's main goal and job to reign in Donald. He will fail. ..
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Fail!? Donald J. Trump is too big to fail!!

Sherkeu said:
...If Kelly can convince him that a drastic change in culture is Trumps idea and get him to develop his own vision for it, it just might work...
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I thought this would be a good strategy for the Democrats to use when Trump first took office. Trump hasn't even got to the point where such a strategy could be implemented. He's not even making "baby steps".
 
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The chaos in this administration is primarily caused by Trump. Unless Kelly can muzzle/control Trump then he will not save this administration. If he doze manage to muzzle/control Trump then Trump will fire him.
 
Kelly should just let Trump fail. Prolonging this farce is good for no one. Trump can implode on his own and either leave or be forced out. The only thing worse than a dysfunctional Trump presidency is one where he actually governs.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I doubt he will do it, he's part of the problem. JK has said that the Mexican border wall will start construction in a month, and he said that a few months ago. He is also against slowing any wars in the middle east. He was against women in combat roles and is against closing Gitmo. He supports Trump's racist policies against Muslims as well.
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He's also said it isn't going to be a wall.
 
Spindrift said:
If that happens I won't be surprised, but I just get the feeling that Kelly is going to be different, the immediate firing of Mooch is an example. We'll see who else gets their walking papers in the next few weeks. And as I said, if Bannon goes, then Kelly is the man who can get Trump to listen.

I think Trump has a weakness for Generals that was instilled in his military school days. If Hillary had four-stars he'd hire her as chief of staff, okay maybe not that much of a weakness.

Would I bet on this? Not without 20 to 1 odds or better. If Kelly can't straighten things out then the next 3 and a half years will make the last six months look like the good ole days.
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All this is moot if Mueller finds what we think he will find.
No matter how politically savvy he may be, Kelly can't fix collusion or emoluments or Russian pee hookers.
 
fishbob said:
All this is moot if Mueller finds what we think he will find.
No matter how politically savvy he may be, Kelly can't fix collusion or emoluments or Russian pee hookers.
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One would like to think so, but it seems people are stupid, and Trump will yell "fake news fake news" and the minions will say, "yeah, fake news," and it's just as likely that as Kelly runs screaming out the back door in they will march through the front, sure they can do better, pulling up their pants cuffs to avoid the pools of their predecessors' blood on the floor.
 
Spindrift said:
No, not KellyAnne but General John Kelly.

He could possibly save the Trump administration single-handed. It's well-known that Trump loves 4-star generals and he's a Marine to boot.

He may be the one person who could get Trump to stop doing stupid things like the trans ban or DJT-Jr.'s letter. He won't get him to stop tweeting but he might get him to tone it down. I think the acid test is if Steve Bannon is still there 6 months from now. If Kelly gets rid of Bannon and marginalizes Jared and Ivanka, then there is hope that Trump will finish out his term. It also might set up Kelly for 2020.
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Yeah, just like all the other patchwork solutions were going to keep the crazy man sane and on course.

They've said this about perhaps ten individuals since his campaign got into full gear.

It doesn't matter who the supporting cast is. The head clown is still the head clown. "Oh, Ivanka and Jared will keep him centered and sane, particularly on global warming and LGBT rights", they said.

Ha ha ha!
 
I think there is no way in hell anyone can marginalize Ivanka from Trump. And where Ivanka goes, Jared goes.
 
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I think there is no way in hell anyone can marginalize Ivanka from Trump. And where Ivanka goes, Jared goes.
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Donald Trump has marginalized Ivanka. Alternately, Ivanka is full of crap and all her gob-smacked fan boyz are equally full of crap. Just what has she gotten done? What decisions of her tempestuous daddy-kins has she influenced for the better?

She's married to Jared Kushner, a slimeball. Why do we want to assume that she's going to do anything more than line up for her piece of the action in the kleptocracy?
 
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Donald Trump has marginalized Ivanka. Alternately, Ivanka is full of crap and all her gob-smacked fan boyz are equally full of crap. Just what has she gotten done? What decisions of her tempestuous daddy-kins has she influenced for the better?

She's married to Jared Kushner, a slimeball. Why do we want to assume that she's going to do anything more than line up for her piece of the action in the kleptocracy?
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Agreed, I just don't think anyone can stop Ivanka from being the room or trying to inject her opinion in the process. I don't think anyone can modify Trump's behavior and this is why I think John Kelly will ultimately fail in controlling the chaos.
 
Spindrift said:
Kelly's first real test is the handling of the fake Fox News report about Seth Rich. He's got to find someone to hang it on and hopefully for Kelly he has candidates other than the POTUS.
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And guess what every commanding general has.........a Chief of Staff. So Kelly will have had at least four different jobs where he depended on a CofS.

I haven't gone to the GOMO webpage to review Kelly's military resume, but I'd bet he was on at least one occasion a CofS himself. It is a choice assignment reserved typically for those officers that are perceived to be going places themselves. As CofS, you are exposed to just about every decision the boss makes and to the interrelated way that the staff gets things done.

Yes, Kelly (racist fascist that he is) is very well qualified to be WH CofS. I don't envy him, but he'll likely do as well as anyone could.
 
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