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Kamala Harris Election Campaign

Hey, everybody, I just heard a rumor that there’s someone yammering in this thread about January 6 who is 100% wrong about the event. That it somehow wasn’t what it was? Y’know, on all the TVs, in all the papers, and investigated by a bipartisan congressional committee that gathered testimony from bunches of Republicans as to what happened that day as well as what led up to it following the November election?

C’mon. Really? You guys are funny.
 
Nothing I do or say will matter. There are several narratives out in the world. Some are designed and perpetrated by the right wing, some are designed and perpetrated by the left wing. People believe what they want to believe. No amount of argument will change their minds.

Both sides of this political ******** are liars and thieves, lining their own pockets, focused on their own glory and approbation.

And both sides are extravagant about rubbing their own hyperbolic emotification all over events, draping their interpretation on top of facts. Both are very quick to identify the hidden message dog-whistle unspoken call to violence coming from "those people over there" while insisting that their own side's words are nuanced and noble and that anyone who sees risks in it are looneys that the other side has snowed with their pervasive evil lies.

People hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. That includes every single poster here, and I don't exclude myself.

What I believe is that every single one of our elected officials, every single die-hard dedicated supporter of one part or the other, has their own agenda, and not a single bit of that is actually in the interests of the people of the US. The parties - both of them - are corrupt to the bone. And supporters of those parties lap up that corruption as if it's mana from political heaven.

Trump is ****** up enough in reality that nobody should have to make up exaggerations. Harris is ****** up enough that nobody needs to hyperbolize.

Full of crap. There is little else than can be said about this post.

Sadly, the wrong people were put in jail for November 11th. The rioters were merely pawns in Trump’s plan to overthrow the election. Useful idiots. The people who should be in jail are Trump and his cabal of traitorous associates.
 
Hey, everybody, I just heard a rumor that there’s someone yammering in this thread about January 6 who is 100% wrong about the event. That it somehow wasn’t what it was? Y’know, on all the TVs, in all the papers, and investigated by a bipartisan congressional committee that gathered testimony from bunches of Republicans as to what happened that day as well as what led up to it following the November election?

C’mon. Really? You guys are funny.
You know what it reminds me of?
 
I'm sorry at moments like this I keep expecting someone to try and prove immortality using Bayesian statistics.
 
Nothing I do or say will matter. There are several narratives out in the world. Some are designed and perpetrated by the right wing, some are designed and perpetrated by the left wing.
And some are perpetrated by phony-baloney high horse centrists. Although here, the fact-free drivel that you're foisting aligns with right wing drivel.

People believe what they want to believe. No amount of argument will change their minds.
Clearly.
 
And I repeat.

And a dozen people have told her she's wrong, explained that's she wrong and why she is wrong, shown facts and evidence that she's wrong and...

... we're gonna get, at best, a huffy appeal to "I have a right to my opinion" or some similar truism, not an actual defense of her opinions because she doesn't have one.

And this is what I mean when I say being wrong is uncivil.
 
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
They literally smeared **** on the walls.
Source? I can only find one source, and that's NYP. I mean, I suppose if you want to start accepting NYP as a reliable source, we can do that... but I'll hold you to it in the future.

How about FOX...before they changed their tune and went full Trumper denial?

Marauders roamed the Capitol. Trashed the Senate parliamentarian’s Office. Wielded Confederate flags in the Ohio Clock Corridor outside the Senate chamber. Ripped down the nameplate to the entrance of the office suite of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. Vandalized a statue of President Zachary Taylor. Carved "Murder the Media" in a Capitol doorway. Extremists defecated in the hallways, stomped in their own feces and tracked their excrement across the encaustic, Minton tiles.

During Trump's impeachment trial on Feb. 11, 2021 Rep. David Cicilline told the senate:

During those attacks, Cicilline said janitorial staff were traumatized and feared for their safety and lives. One staff member hid in a closet, and another -- a mother of three -- said, 'The insurrection shattered all my sense of security at work." Many of these workers were people of color and had to clean up feces smeared on walls and blood and broken glass on the ground. One said he 'felt degraded.'
(PBS NewsHour)

Those who died...
Two Trump supporters who had heart attacks
One Trump supporter who overdosed
One Trump supporter who was shot by a cop

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

I mean, I suppose it's nice that you're so broken hearted about Trump supporters dying in their own idiotic riot. I would never have expected either of you to have any sympathy for the rioters harmed by their own stupid actions.


Many police officers were injured, some critically, during that riot. It was only by pure luck that no officers died as a direct result of those insurrectionists.

Nearly 140 officers from both the Washington's Metropolitan Police Department and the Capitol Police were injured when pro-Trump rioters stormed the Capitol, according to a recent estimate by the U.S. Capitol Police union.

.
[Off. Caroline Edwards]I couldn’t believe my eyes: There were officers on the ground. They were bleeding. They were throwing up. I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people’s blood. I was catching people as they fell. It was carnage. It was chaos. I can’t even describe what I saw.
DC police officer Michael Fanone, a 20-year law enforcement veteran, is dragged by the neck from the Lower West Terrace tunnel of the US Capitol as he and several dozen other officers—ducking fire extinguishers, bricks, and other debris being hurled at them through a noxious cloud of bear spray—fight to hold back “a human battering ram” of insurrectionists.

“I got one!” shouts a Tennessee man named Albuquerque Head, who in October was sentenced to 96 months in federal prison for the attack on Fanone. The mob descends on the officer, ripping the badge from his chest, shocking him three times at the base of his skull with a taser, beating him with a flagpole, and threatening to kill him with his own gun. After sustaining a traumatic brain injury and suffering a heart attack, Fanone pleads for his life, appealing to whatever shred of humanity remains.

“I got kids.”
[U.S. Capitol Police Sgt. Aqulino Gonell] said he was attacked by more than 40 rioters, beaten with his own riot shield and was nearly dragged into the crowd by rioters trying to beat him with the American flag. He required two surgeries and suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder.
 
We shouldn't be wasting our time countering an already debunked a billion times "LOL they were just walking around the Capital" narrative from an already proven dishonest agent.

This is what I mean. When people were THIS proudly wrong they used to just not be in the discussion. Something be it shame or self awareness made them give up eventually.
 
Meanwhile, back in the actual subject of this thread...

Kamala needs to do something to distance herself from Biden and show the voters that she's closer to where we are than where he is.

One form that could take which would probably still help would be to campaign on her intention to actually do any of several popular economic policies to actually help with the lives of ordinary people, instead of just the vague "if you work hard, you're in my plan" fluff. Its effectiveness for the campaign would be somewhat hindered by the obvious "why suddenly just now" question and the fact that voters are used to hearing Democrats claim to want to improve the economy for the peasants and then watching them not even try to do any of it (particularly the one she currently works for), but it would be better than the nothing she's running on now.

However, Israel's recent expansion of its war, plus recent admissions from both Israel and our own State Department that neither of them was ever really interested ending the genocide and bringing peace, are giving her the perfect opportunity to take a popular position distinct from Biden's on an issue that would probably be even more effective for the election anyway. If she were willing to announce that the weapon shipments will be stopped as soon as she takes the oath, she'd gain an impenetrable lead immediately. The timing would take care of the "why suddenly just now" question because this moment is right after it really did get worse than it already was. And standing up to Israel's control over American politicians is not something the voters have seen American politicians even pretend to do before, so we haven't had the chance to become tired of the routine yet like on domestic economic stuff.

Separate from that, she was recently asked about cannabis and said now she believes we should legalize it (and she even claimed to have already thought so for a long time), so that's one issue on which she's moved in the right direction. But other things have moved up in people's priority lists lately, which have bumped that one down, and it's not getting any media attention. And it's a bit hard to believe given her previous behavior on that subject. So it presumably won't have much effect on the election by itself, unless she adds enough other similar moves to it and they start to add up to a theme of actually wanting to get good things done instead of drifting along like the usual in politics.

And both she and Walz need to be doing more interviews, not just rallies. Rallies are for people who are on your side already. Interviews are how you go to the people who aren't coming to you. Yes, I know she sometimes doesn't do very well at them, but sometimes she does, and she'd instantly get better at them if she had something to say that people wanted to hear on important subjects instead of just trying to circumnavigate the lack of it, and doing more of them would not only get her more practice but also mean people get used to how she talks and any little individual missteps blend into the background instead of standing out so much for being so uncommon. And yes, I realize that Walz does so much better at them than her that she's probably been hiding him to avoid getting up staged, but that still just means having him more in public view would improve the standing of the whole ticket, and she needs to prioritize what's more likely to get the whole ticket a win, not what feels best for her ego even if it means losing.
 
Those who died...
Two Trump supporters who had heart attacks
One Trump supporter who overdosed
One Trump supporter who was shot by a cop

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

I mean, I suppose it's nice that you're so broken hearted about Trump supporters dying in their own idiotic riot. I would never have expected either of you to have any sympathy for the rioters harmed by their own stupid actions.
:rolleyes: Pathetic.
I see your frantic back-peddling and goalpost moving has started. Why not simply admit that you were wrong?
 
Source? I can only find one source, and that's NYP. I mean, I suppose if you want to start accepting NYP as a reliable source, we can do that... but I'll hold you to it in the future.




Those who died...
Two Trump supporters who had heart attacks One Trump supporter who overdosed One Trump supporter who was shot by a cop
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

I mean, I suppose it's nice that you're so broken hearted about Trump supporters dying in their own idiotic riot. I would never have expected either of you to have any sympathy for the rioters harmed by their own stupid actions.



The highlighted. The rioter who was shot when storming the Capitol was the reason why the rioters retreated. She was shot in clear self defense.


Sure... one 'side' wandered through the Capitol and did no material property damage and caused no actual harm. But you're not wrong.

The other 'side' held dozens of 'mostly peaceful' marches involving tens of thousands of people for Not My President. And that same other 'side' tried to occupy parts of Seattle, and proceeded to set several buildings on fire (sometimes with people inside of them), loot, and vandalize private small businesses.

You're very selective in what sort of destructive and uncivil behavior you call out as being an existential threat and what sort you seem willing to accept as no big deal. Or at least brush aside and pretend like it doesn't count.

From where I'm standing, it's different targets and different slogans... but it's pretty much the same type of behavior, and the same risk to the populace.

https://x.com/daveryder/status/1765456625219834221

I'm going to post this video every day until the election

Video in tweet

Sure looks peaceful
 
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:rolleyes:

People with extreme right biases tell me that the leftists are the ones who are ******* it all up and want to destroy democracy. People with extreme left biases tell me that the rightists are the ones who are ******* it all up and want to destroy democracy.

I will 100% keep both-side-ing the crap out of this, because I end up hearing almost identical accusations and schpiels from both sides. And both sides insist that their beliefs and opinions are factual, their interpretation of ambiguous information is completely accurate and incontrovertible, and that the other side is always lying about everything. Both. Sides.

You can't see it because you believe what your side tells you. It's a matter of faith. They can't see it because they believe what their side tells them. It's a matter of faith.

I have no faith, and I think both sides are full of **** and suck at their jobs for entirely different reasons.

On the highlighted bit, you're lying to yourself. On the bolded bit, you're lying about the rest of us.
 
Meanwhile, back in the actual subject of this thread...

Kamala needs to do something to distance herself from Biden and show the voters that she's closer to where we are than where he is.

One form that could take which would probably still help would be to campaign on her intention to actually do any of several popular economic policies to actually help with the lives of ordinary people, instead of just the vague "if you work hard, you're in my plan" fluff. Its effectiveness for the campaign would be somewhat hindered by the obvious "why suddenly just now" question and the fact that voters are used to hearing Democrats claim to want to improve the economy for the peasants and then watching them not even try to do any of it (particularly the one she currently works for), but it would be better than the nothing she's running on now.

However, Israel's recent expansion of its war, plus recent admissions from both Israel and our own State Department that neither of them was ever really interested ending the genocide and bringing peace, are giving her the perfect opportunity to take a popular position distinct from Biden's on an issue that would probably be even more effective for the election anyway. If she were willing to announce that the weapon shipments will be stopped as soon as she takes the oath, she'd gain an impenetrable lead immediately. The timing would take care of the "why suddenly just now" question because this moment is right after it really did get worse than it already was. And standing up to Israel's control over American politicians is not something the voters have seen American politicians even pretend to do before, so we haven't had the chance to become tired of the routine yet like on domestic economic stuff.

Separate from that, she was recently asked about cannabis and said now she believes we should legalize it (and she even claimed to have already thought so for a long time), so that's one issue on which she's moved in the right direction. But other things have moved up in people's priority lists lately, which have bumped that one down, and it's not getting any media attention. And it's a bit hard to believe given her previous behavior on that subject. So it presumably won't have much effect on the election by itself, unless she adds enough other similar moves to it and they start to add up to a theme of actually wanting to get good things done instead of drifting along like the usual in politics.

And both she and Walz need to be doing more interviews, not just rallies. Rallies are for people who are on your side already. Interviews are how you go to the people who aren't coming to you. Yes, I know she sometimes doesn't do very well at them, but sometimes she does, and she'd instantly get better at them if she had something to say that people wanted to hear on important subjects instead of just trying to circumnavigate the lack of it, and doing more of them would not only get her more practice but also mean people get used to how she talks and any little individual missteps blend into the background instead of standing out so much for being so uncommon. And yes, I realize that Walz does so much better at them than her that she's probably been hiding him to avoid getting up staged, but that still just means having him more in public view would improve the standing of the whole ticket, and she needs to prioritize what's more likely to get the whole ticket a win, not what feels best for her ego even if it means losing.

No offense, but I disagree with every conclusion made in this post. Every single one.
 
Meanwhile, back in the actual subject of this thread...

Kamala needs to do something to distance herself from Biden and show the voters that she's closer to where we are than where he is.

One form that could take which would probably still help would be to campaign on her intention to actually do any of several popular economic policies to actually help with the lives of ordinary people, instead of just the vague "if you work hard, you're in my plan" fluff. Its effectiveness for the campaign would be somewhat hindered by the obvious "why suddenly just now" question and the fact that voters are used to hearing Democrats claim to want to improve the economy for the peasants and then watching them not even try to do any of it (particularly the one she currently works for), but it would be better than the nothing she's running on now.

However, Israel's recent expansion of its war, plus recent admissions from both Israel and our own State Department that neither of them was ever really interested ending the genocide and bringing peace, are giving her the perfect opportunity to take a popular position distinct from Biden's on an issue that would probably be even more effective for the election anyway. If she were willing to announce that the weapon shipments will be stopped as soon as she takes the oath, she'd gain an impenetrable lead immediately. The timing would take care of the "why suddenly just now" question because this moment is right after it really did get worse than it already was. And standing up to Israel's control over American politicians is not something the voters have seen American politicians even pretend to do before, so we haven't had the chance to become tired of the routine yet like on domestic economic stuff.

Separate from that, she was recently asked about cannabis and said now she believes we should legalize it (and she even claimed to have already thought so for a long time), so that's one issue on which she's moved in the right direction. But other things have moved up in people's priority lists lately, which have bumped that one down, and it's not getting any media attention. And it's a bit hard to believe given her previous behavior on that subject. So it presumably won't have much effect on the election by itself, unless she adds enough other similar moves to it and they start to add up to a theme of actually wanting to get good things done instead of drifting along like the usual in politics.

And both she and Walz need to be doing more interviews, not just rallies. Rallies are for people who are on your side already. Interviews are how you go to the people who aren't coming to you. Yes, I know she sometimes doesn't do very well at them, but sometimes she does, and she'd instantly get better at them if she had something to say that people wanted to hear on important subjects instead of just trying to circumnavigate the lack of it, and doing more of them would not only get her more practice but also mean people get used to how she talks and any little individual missteps blend into the background instead of standing out so much for being so uncommon. And yes, I realize that Walz does so much better at them than her that she's probably been hiding him to avoid getting up staged, but that still just means having him more in public view would improve the standing of the whole ticket, and she needs to prioritize what's more likely to get the whole ticket a win, not what feels best for her ego even if it means losing.

*Looks at my scanner* By God we're reaching levels of "Go Outside and Touch Grass" not once thought possible.

The topic of the thread isn't your normal "Waaa waaa why isn't every candidate a super progressive" complaint.
 
Meanwhile, back in the actual subject of this thread...

Kamala needs to do something to distance herself from Biden and show the voters that she's closer to where we are than where he is.

With one or two glaring exceptions, I think Biden is fairly in line with what most Americans say they want. Now, the perception might be different, but in terms of actual policy, he's fairly big tent.

One form that could take which would probably still help would be to campaign on her intention to actually do any of several popular economic policies to actually help with the lives of ordinary people, instead of just the vague "if you work hard, you're in my plan" fluff. Its effectiveness for the campaign would be somewhat hindered by the obvious "why suddenly just now" question and the fact that voters are used to hearing Democrats claim to want to improve the economy for the peasants and then watching them not even try to do any of it (particularly the one she currently works for), but it would be better than the nothing she's running on now.

Do I need to point out the irony that you aren't offering an specifics here? By the way, Harris' campaign has published an economic plan and she has discussed some of the big parts of it like expanding the child tax credit up to $3500 and adding a $6000 credit for the first year of the child's life, down payment tax credit, taking some of the price gouging laws fro mthe state elvel to the federal, extending the insulin price cap and expanding it to other vital medicines and treatments.

What I'd really like to hear from Harris is she is cloning Lina Khan. But, I'l lsettle for keeping her on and hiring more like her.

However, Israel's recent expansion of its war, plus recent admissions from both Israel and our own State Department that neither of them was ever really interested ending the genocide and bringing peace, are giving her the perfect opportunity to take a popular position distinct from Biden's on an issue that would probably be even more effective for the election anyway. If she were willing to announce that the weapon shipments will be stopped as soon as she takes the oath, she'd gain an impenetrable lead immediately. The timing would take care of the "why suddenly just now" question because this moment is right after it really did get worse than it already was. And standing up to Israel's control over American politicians is not something the voters have seen American politicians even pretend to do before, so we haven't had the chance to become tired of the routine yet like on domestic economic stuff.

Yes, I'd like to see her get tougher on Netanyahu and Likud. Sadly, I'm not holding my breath.

Separate from that, she was recently asked about cannabis and said now she believes we should legalize it (and she even claimed to have already thought so for a long time), so that's one issue on which she's moved in the right direction. But other things have moved up in people's priority lists lately, which have bumped that one down, and it's not getting any media attention. And it's a bit hard to believe given her previous behavior on that subject. So it presumably won't have much effect on the election by itself, unless she adds enough other similar moves to it and they start to add up to a theme of actually wanting to get good things done instead of drifting along like the usual in politics.

There's also the fact that states have seen benefits from legal marijuana and she can also say she beleives it isn't the government's role. That will at least hurt the Orange Weakling's libertarian support.

And both she and Walz need to be doing more interviews, not just rallies. Rallies are for people who are on your side already. Interviews are how you go to the people who aren't coming to you. Yes, I know she sometimes doesn't do very well at them, but sometimes she does, and she'd instantly get better at them if she had something to say that people wanted to hear on important subjects instead of just trying to circumnavigate the lack of it, and doing more of them would not only get her more practice but also mean people get used to how she talks and any little individual missteps blend into the background instead of standing out so much for being so uncommon. And yes, I realize that Walz does so much better at them than her that she's probably been hiding him to avoid getting up staged, but that still just means having him more in public view would improve the standing of the whole ticket, and she needs to prioritize what's more likely to get the whole ticket a win, not what feels best for her ego even if it means losing.

I've heard she actually does a lot of interviews on local media during her campaign stops. She can probably do more remote itnerviews with local media in swing districts.
 
Hey, everybody, I just heard a rumor that there’s someone yammering in this thread about January 6 who is 100% wrong about the event. That it somehow wasn’t what it was? Y’know, on all the TVs, in all the papers, and investigated by a bipartisan congressional committee that gathered testimony from bunches of Republicans as to what happened that day as well as what led up to it following the November election?

C’mon. Really? You guys are funny.

Maybe said poster gets really bad radio reception on their home planet.
 

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