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Ed Justice Barrett

Tero said:
How soon till we get abortion tourism? You know, girl gets a Greyhound bus ticket from Iowa to Illinois, with Super 8 motel in the package. Abortion free at Planned Parenthood.
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I'm guessing that it won't be legal to offer that kind of package.

It may even be illegal for someone in a state in which abortion is illegal to travel out of state for the purpose of securing an abortion. Of course senior GOPers who find themselves in need of an abortion for their girlfriend, daughter, rape victim in those states will still be able to get them because the travel was for reason A, the abortion was unrelated :mad:
 
Tero said:
How soon till we get abortion tourism? You know, girl gets a Greyhound bus ticket from Iowa to Illinois, with Super 8 motel in the package. Abortion free at Planned Parenthood.
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Depends how long it takes for the court to hear a case that changes the abortion landscape. Personally I doubt it'll ever happen. But apparently some people are convinced that Barrett is going to cross out RvW, get thumbs up from four other justices, and that will be that.
 
The Don said:
I'm guessing that it won't be legal to offer that kind of package.

It may even be illegal for someone in a state in which abortion is illegal to travel out of state for the purpose of securing an abortion. Of course senior GOPers who find themselves in need of an abortion for their girlfriend, daughter, rape victim in those states will still be able to get them because the travel was for reason A, the abortion was unrelated :mad:
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I have a hard time seeing even this SCOTUS saying a state could enforce its laws on a resident who was not in that state. If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, I can see some red states trying to pass such laws but there's really no way they could enforce it. Other than the restrictions someone on parole or probation is put under, I can't think of anything that would allow one state to regulate the behaviors of someone not in their state.
 
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The Don said:
I'm guessing that it won't be legal to offer that kind of package.

It may even be illegal for someone in a state in which abortion is illegal to travel out of state for the purpose of securing an abortion.
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That's not even remotely how state laws and state jurisdiction work.

Europeans really need to stop thinking of the United States as a central government divided into administrative regions.
 
Craig4 said:
I have a hard time seeing even this SCOTUS saying a state could enforce its laws on a resident who was not in that state. If Roe vs. Wade is overturned, I can see some red states trying to pass such laws but there's really no way they could enforce it. Other than the restrictions someone on parole or probation is put under, I can't think of anything that would allow one state to regulate the behaviors of someone not in their state.
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Yes, enforcement would be impossible without the authorities being tipped off. I can however envisage that could happen and then the person travelling being arrested at the airport or state line.

theprestige said:
That's not even remotely how state laws and state jurisdiction work.

Europeans really need to stop thinking of the United States as a central government divided into administrative regions.
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In the event that it becomes legal for a state to make abortions illegal, could that state pass a law to make travelling out of state to procure an abortion illegal ?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Just remarkable that she was nominated at an event where a dozen people got sick and they’re STILL not wearing masks.
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In my Death Note journal, she contracts Covid-19 from that event and spreads it to Justices Thomas, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. All four of them pass away from covid-19...
 
The Don said:
I'm guessing that it won't be legal to offer that kind of package.

It may even be illegal for someone in a state in which abortion is illegal to travel out of state for the purpose of securing an abortion. Of course senior GOPers who find themselves in need of an abortion for their girlfriend, daughter, rape victim in those states will still be able to get them because the travel was for reason A, the abortion was unrelated :mad:
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This is exactly what will happen. We only have history to base this one. Abortion bannings never effect the wealthy and privileged.
 
The Don said:
In the event that it becomes legal for a state to make abortions illegal, could that state pass a law to make travelling out of state to procure an abortion illegal ?
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It could pass such a law. But it would be unconstitutional and would not survive judicial scrutiny.
 
Ziggurat said:
It could pass such a law. But it would be unconstitutional and would not survive judicial scrutiny.
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The scrutiny would come from courts that the right-wing have packed and would eventually end up in a SCOTUS which had just reversed Roe vs. Wade.

Forgive me if I'm unconvinced of your narrative.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Which will be funnier ... this post, or when Biden expands the court and appoints HRC ?
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That post will be funnier.

The only way Biden could expand the court and appoint people directly to it would be if the American system of government no longer existed, and had been replaced by something else with a dictator at its head. And that wouldn't be funny at all.
 
The Don said:
In the event that it becomes legal for a state to make abortions illegal, could that state pass a law to make travelling out of state to procure an abortion illegal ?
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Good question. I doubt it. Certainly states haven't passed similar laws for other things like drugs and firearms and fireworks and gambling and prostitution etc.

Are you indulging in a flight of fancy, or voicing what you believe to be a serious public policy concern?
 
The Don said:
The scrutiny would come from courts that the right-wing have packed and would eventually end up in a SCOTUS which had just reversed Roe vs. Wade.

Forgive me if I'm unconvinced of your narrative.
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Considering overturning roe v wade is the correct decision, you would be in good hands.
 
The Don said:
The scrutiny would come from courts that the right-wing have packed and would eventually end up in a SCOTUS which had just reversed Roe vs. Wade.

Forgive me if I'm unconvinced of your narrative.
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First, you're using the term "court packing" wrong. Stop that, it only demonstrates you're either clueless or dishonest.

Second, I can't help your paranoia. But the conservative justices actually have judicial philosophies, and none of them would justify the kind of state over-reach that you're describing.

But if even that isn't enough, just consider this: they know that if conservative states are allowed to regulate what citizens do outside of those states, then liberal states will be empowered to do the same thing. Why would they want to open the door to that? They don't. Nobody does.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Which will be funnier ... this post, or when Biden expands the court and appoints HRC ?
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Which will be funnier ... this post, or when Biden expands the court and appoints NOMINATES HRC (who is subsequently approved by the dem majority senate)?

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theprestige said:
That post will be funnier.

The only way Biden could expand the court and appoint people directly to it would be if the American system of government no longer existed, and had been replaced by something else with a dictator at its head. And that wouldn't be funny at all.
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See below.

TheL8Elvis said:
Which will be funnier ... this post, or when Biden expands the court and appoints NOMINATES HRC (who is subsequently approved by the dem majority senate)?

Edited for PEDANTS
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theprestige said:
That post will be funnier.

The only way Biden could expand the court and appoint people directly to it would be if the American system of government no longer existed, and had been replaced by something else with a dictator at its head. And that wouldn't be funny at all.
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Expanding the courts would require congress passing a law to do so (well within the possibility if the democrats take both the house and senate).

And although Biden couldn't appoint Clinton (or some other left of center person ( he could nominate them, and a democratic controlled senate would likely rubber stamp them. (since as we saw with republicans, actually vetting a nominee is no longer an issue).

Both of those are completely legal, and doesn't require a change in the system of government or a "dictator".



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Ziggurat said:
The arguments in favor of the electoral college are long standing, you don't need me to tell them to you if you're actually curious (not a given).
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I recommend you watch the rest of the video I provided. Those arguments you're alluding to largely don't pan out.
 
Segnosaur said:
Both of those are completely legal, and doesn't require a change in the system of government or a "dictator".



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Legality doesn't matter. If Biden does it, he's a dictator. When Republicans do it, it's just good leadership...
 
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