July US Presidential Strawpoll

Jocko said:

Oh, I tried to speak to the US Ambassador to Denmark to smooth things over, but as it turns out your little nation isn't important enough to justify having an ambassador. You guys have to share one with Romania and Luxembourg.
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http://www.denmarkemb.org/

The ambassador's name is Ulrik A. Federspiel. Really.
 
Larspeart said:


You're not the kindf of person I am speaking of. You stated that you like Kerry. fine. Go vote for him. it is all of the people that are saying 'I hate both of them, but so-n-so isn't 'quite' as bad'. THOSE people get zero respect for me.
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And I still disagree with you. If somebody feels anti-Bush strongly enough then they should vote for Kerry. Nobody else has a snowballs chance in hell of defeating Bush so if somebody really wants Bush out there is only one choice. I'm not saying it isn't a shame that there aren't any other viable candidates, but it's too late to complain about that for this election.
 
I know Shanek will have a stroke but I don't believe that our Constitution is a suicide pact. I do believe that we are at war and that the war has been going on since the seventh century. And I also don't believe that you can opt out of this war.
 
A number of US citizens have been held as "material witnesses" or "enemy combatants", with no access to lawyers and without being brought before a grand jury. Is this not a denial of civil rights? The Supreme Court seemed to think so, since they rejected the administration's handling of these cases. It's been pointed out that Kerry voted for the Patriot Act, but these detentions were based on (mis)application of older statutes, not the Patriot Act. You may not care about the rights of the detainees in question, but history shows that once you start denying due process to just a few people, it opens the door to more widespread abuse down the road.
 
Ed said:
Originally posted by DanishDynamite
OK, Ed.

In your infinite wisdom, try to evalute the latest encroachments on civil liberties which the current administration has envoked, versus the supposed crisis the US is currently experiencing.

It is difficult for me to evaluate since it has not effected either me or anyone I know. What specific one's are you talking about?
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Good question. For those who have lived in a cave for the last months, try searching on keywords such as "Patriot Act".
It is difficult to have a conversation where the end point is already decided by one party. "imagined situations"? What rights are generally denied? It sort of sounds like "I hate him because I hate him". I will be interested to see how far the Oil For Food scandal extends into Europe. I wonder how much what you hear over there was bought. I am reserving judgement but I doubt if your local information sources are above pressure.
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Uh, OK. I'm not sure how to respond to such a charge of conspiracy among the European News outlets.

Perhaps you should see your analyst more often.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Indeed. Unfortunately, ignorance seems to be prevalent among the US population.
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My exposure to Danes is such that, if I were to stop meeting them and judge now, I would think they were a$$hole$.

I am sure the rest of your country can forgive you.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Why?
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Such positions show a fundamental disregard for individual, and by extension, civil rights. Furthermore it shows how you yourself wish to infringe on civil rights. Why don't you heap some of that hate you have for Bush (and the way he tramples on civil rights) onto yourself?
 
The poorly designed ballot was confusing. I think I voted for Bush when I really wanted to vote for Shemp. Can I have a mulligan?
 
c0rbin said:


My exposure to Danes is such that, if I were to stop meeting them and judge now, I would think they were a$$hole$.

I am sure the rest of your country can forgive you.
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Likewise.
 
wjousts said:


And I still disagree with you. If somebody feels anti-Bush strongly enough then they should vote for Kerry. Nobody else has a snowballs chance in hell of defeating Bush so if somebody really wants Bush out there is only one choice. I'm not saying it isn't a shame that there aren't any other viable candidates, but it's too late to complain about that for this election.
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Exactly. I'd like to see us get some kind of proportional representation as opposed to the two-party system. But it's not going to happen for this election.

If you're stuck with a choice between a mass murderer, an armed robber, and an honest man who is guaranteed not to win, is it really rational to say "I'm not going to choose the armed robber just because his opponent is a mass murderer, that's not good enough"? I'm not saying Bush and Kerry are criminals; it's just an analogy.
 
DanishDynamite said:


Au contraire, it is the one who understands democracy as much more than the choice between 2 (two) parties as the height of democracy, who is tryíng to educate the ignorant American masses.

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Before you try "fixing" us ignorant Americans, why don't you look to your own country and rid yourselves of State sponsored religion and the requirement that your King belong to that same official State religion? What is required to amend your country's constitution?
 
Tony said:


Such positions show a fundamental disregard for individual, and by extension, civil rights. Furthermore it shows how you yourself wish to infringe on civil rights. Why don't you heap some of that hate you have for Bush (and the way he tramples on civil rights) onto yourself?
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Why don't you get an appreciation of the US Constitution and what it means?
 
Kodiak said:


Before you try "fixing" us ignorant Americans, why don't you look to your own country and rid yourselves of State sponsored religion and the requirement that your King belong to that same official State religion? What is required to amend your country's constitution?
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I suppose this should be fixed at some poínt, but what does it have to do with democracy or the topic at hand?
 
DanishDynamite said:

Why don't you get an appreciation of the US Constitution and what it means?
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I already have but thanks for acknowledging my assertion that you don't really care about civil rights.
 
DanishDynamite said:

I suppose this should be fixed at some poínt, but what does it have to do with democracy or the topic at hand?
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Our constitution's Bill of Rights guarantees and protects freedom of religion.

With the self-righteous aires you put on, one would think you and your "superior" democracy would have adopted those same protections long ago...
 
Kerry. I think he is a class act who has made something of his life. The attacks about flip-flopping do not sick, no matter how much Fox news and their minions repeat them.

As far as W is concerned, almost all of the reasons listed above would be enough, but I have not seen one huge one mentioned. It is scary to think that W’s model for the ideal Supreme Court nominee is Scalia. Additionally, the repeal of the estate tax was on of his top priorities (almost the only case of money that is not doubly taxed). And, when I start to think “maybe I am wrong and W is right about the war, taxes, Ashcroft, Enron, and the environment”, I will pick up the paper read about SDI (aka Star Wars). The list with how many issues I fundamentally disagree with this fundamentalist blue blood wacko seems to have no end.

I will forgive the man for unilaterally deciding that he no longer had to hold up his end of his National Guard commitment when he, admits his mistake, asks for forgiveness, repays the 1 million that our tax dollars spent training him, and resigns. Not one day earlier.

Daredelvis
 
I'll be voting for the first time this election, for Kerry.
I do not want Bush appointing 2 Supreme Court Justices. If he stacks the deck with fundies his influence will continue long after his term. As the last step in the system of checks and balances, I don't want those people too far right or left.
 
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