July US Presidential Strawpoll

US citizen, voting "Other." It's weird to be in the Shanek camp. :)

I'll be voting Nader again. He's anti-war, for starters (Kerry sure as hell isn't). More to the point, though, a central part of his campaign is the undemocratic nature of the two-party duopoly and their mutual ties to corporate interests. I really, really hate two-party politics, and just looking at the responses to this poll illustrates why; people aren't voting for Kerry because he's good, they're voting for him because he isn't Bush. %^&* that.
 
Cleon, I soooo agree with you, despite the fact that you and I are politically so far apart, haha!

All these idiots (yes, I am refering to all of your folks that are saying 'I am voting for so-n-so not because I like them, but because they aren't the other one') are the ones that are really WASTING their votes. They aren't being honest with themselves, or with the public, OR with the candidates that they only support in practice.


I'd rather see Nader win then either of the two clowns that the 2-party juggernaut is throwing down our throats again.

NO MATTER WHICH OF THOSE TWO WINS, WE ALL LOSE!
 
U.S. citizen. At this point, not planning on voting for a president.

My vote doesn't matter anyway, because New York will go to the Democrat who will then get all the electoral votes. But more importantly, not voting for Bush will mean one less popular vote for him, and as we all know, we like our candidate to win the popular and electoral vote.

I am thoroughly disappointed in Bush, mainly because of his over-extending our troops, spending entirely too much money, and hard-nosed conservative stance on social issues.

He campaigned as a uniter, he has done no such thing. He campaigned against nation building, now he's doing it in Afghanistan and Iraq, he campaigned as a responsible steward of public funds, and he has outspent all his predecessors and increased discretionary spending (defense and non-defense) by percentages that would make Ted Kennedy blush.

I don't particularly care for Kerry, and I wouldn't vote for someone just because they're not The Other Guy. So, I will likely vote for no one.

So I went with the Planet X option.
 
Larspeart said:
Cleon, I soooo agree with you, despite the fact that you and I are politically so far apart, haha!

All these idiots (yes, I am refering to all of your folks that are saying 'I am voting for so-n-so not because I like them, but because they aren't the other one') are the ones that are really WASTING their votes. They aren't being honest with themselves, or with the public, OR with the candidates that they only support in practice.
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The problem is, they're not wrong to do so--people are backed into that corner. We have an electoral system we're you're forced to choose between one or the other, and it sucks. It's undemocratic. You basically either "waste" your vote by voting for the "lesser evil" or you "waste" your vote by voting for someone who's almost assuredly not able to win.
 
US Citizen. For Bush, unless it looks like he'll lose Michigan by 10 percentage points or worse, in which case, I'll vote Badnarik.
 
He probably will bro. I live in MI too, and I don't see ANY support for Bush.

MI seems to be Kerry-Country, at least around me.
 
At the moment it is not clear to me what Kerry would do differently about Iraq. Get broader international involvement? Duh. I am a bit nervous about Kerry not being very commital about anything.

On the other hand, Bush got us into this mess. On the other hand, if democracy is established in Iraq the positive reprecussions could be stunning. In 50 years you could see GW rated as one of the best. On the other hand his religious perspective is frightening. On the other hand ...

Today it's Bush. Yesterday was Kerry.

I can't vote for Kerry because I don't like Bush. That ain't enough.
 
Larspeart said:
He probably will bro. I live in MI too, and I don't see ANY support for Bush.

MI seems to be Kerry-Country, at least around me.
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Polling suggests it might be closer than you think...

Detroit Free Press Poll 7-10-2004

Kerry 46%
Bush 43%
Nader 3%
Undecided 8%



Michigan State University Poll 7-14-2004

Kerry 42%
Bush 40%
Undecided 12%
 
Unbelievable.

Unbelievable how anyone of the in intelligent posters on this board would vote for Bush.

I'm beginning to understand how people like Stalin and (dare I say it?) Hitler managed to remain in power. Braindead nationalism is indeed a force to be recogned with.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Unbelievable.

Unbelievable how anyone of the in intelligent posters on this board would vote for Bush.

I'm beginning to understand how people like Stalin and (dare I say it?) Hitler managed to remain in power. Braindead nationalism is indeed a force to be recogned with.
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It all boils down to what Ed said, "I can't vote for Kerry because I don't like Bush. That ain't enough."
 
DanishDynamite said:
Unbelievable.

Unbelievable how anyone of the in intelligent posters on this board would vote for Bush.

I'm beginning to understand how people like Stalin and (dare I say it?) Hitler managed to remain in power. Braindead nationalism is indeed a force to be recogned with.
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Unbelieveable that one could reduce a highly complex situation to a bumper sticker.
 
Kerry. Because too much policy is being implemented based on the current president's personal religious views. Everything from foreign policy to FDA scientific reviews is affected. And he would very much like to change certain laws and restrict some current liberties because they are not in keeping with his religious opinions. This alarms me. It seems un-American.

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And voting for someone solely because he isn't the other guy may not be the democratic ideal, but what's the alternative? Better to vote for the lesser of two evils than get stuck with the greater.
 
Ed said:



Unbelieveable that one could reduce a highly complex situation to a bumper sticker.
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Your car must have a rather big bumper if you think that can all fit on the bumper sticker :)
 
If Kerry is only getting 50% of the votes from the left-wing pc'lib wackos here, it should be a Bush landslide when reality intervenes in November.
 
Ed said:



Unbelieveable that one could reduce a highly complex situation to a bumper sticker.
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Unbelievable that anyone of any intelligence would vote for further degradation of their civil liberties and for keeping a braindead in office. Just unbelievable.
 
Larspeart said:
All these idiots (yes, I am refering to all of your folks that are saying 'I am voting for so-n-so not because I like them, but because they aren't the other one') are the ones that are really WASTING their votes. They aren't being honest with themselves, or with the public, OR with the candidates that they only support in practice.
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I have two points here. Firstly, I personally actually like Kerry although I dislike Bush more and I might have prefered a different candidate from the democratic party, but if my first choice isn't on the ballot you have to pick from those that are, therefore Kerry. This is a similar choice to the fact that I like Pepsi, but I'm on a Coke campus, so I'll drink Coke. Not that I don't like Coke, I do very much, I just would have prefered Pepsi. Does that make any sense?
Secondly, for those who aren't great fans of Kerry, but will vote for him because he's not Bush, I still think that's a valid thing to do. You don't talk about remodelling when your house is on fire. Would you take four more years of Bush just so you can vote on principle for a third party?
 
DanishDynamite said:


Unbelievable that anyone of any intelligence would vote for further degradation of their civil liberties and for keeping a braindead in office. Just unbelievable.
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Unbelievable that someone could be so misinformed.
 
wjousts said:


You don't talk about remodelling when your house is on fire.
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You don't opt for a house that's on fire when yours is flooded either, if you want throw analogies around.
 
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