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Julia Gillard - liar

A.A. Alfie said:
I agree. Many holes, much speculation; only time will tell. It will be fun to watch one way or the other.
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The accusations have been around for the better part of twenty years. How many more would have to pass before you consider that perhaps time has told already?

In the meantime, Pickering is openly calling for her to sue him (as I heard him say earlier this week on 3AW), and yet she does nothing. One has to wonder why.
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Sueing him would be a huge waste of time and money serving only to bring attention to discredited claims, and those convinced would probably see the inevitable victory as abusing her position/contacts to keep the lies hidden. Pickering and the like are talking about it now, sure, but only in their own little circle - they're preaching to the choir, not spreading the word.

In the meantime, Pickering is apparently certain that she committed some offence, and yet he does nothing instead of going to the police with his evidence or taking her to court. One has to wonder why.

It is absolutely laughable. The man's off his tree and quite frankly they should shove him and Glenn Milne in a chaff bag and take them as far out to sea as they can and tell them to swim home.
 
uvar said:
The accusations have been around for the better part of twenty years. How many more would have to pass before you consider that perhaps time has told already?
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You tell me. New evidence for things can come up anytime.

uvar said:
Sueing him would be a huge waste of time and money serving only to bring attention to discredited claims, and those convinced would probably see the inevitable victory as abusing her position/contacts to keep the lies hidden.
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Maybe.

uvar said:
Pickering and the like are talking about it now, sure, but only in their own little circle - they're preaching to the choir, not spreading the word.
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Untrue.
Mike Smith worked for Fairfax (2UE). 3AW is Fairfax.
 
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uvar said:
It is absolutely laughable. The man's off his tree and quite frankly they should shove him and Glenn Milne in a chaff bag and take them as far out to sea as they can and tell them to swim home.
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Hey, hey, hey, you can't say that.
No self respecting fair minded person would say that!!
 
Speaking of liars, Tony Abbott is on TV again.

Zing!

Well, maybe not outright lies, but he's making up for it with lies of omission and fallacies. Oh no, wait, that was a lie.

ETA: Oh, right, I knew there was a reason I opened this thread.

The Exclusive on the front page of the Weekend Australian is quite relevant to this thread (paywalled here, title "Revealed: Julia Gillard lost her job after law firm's secret investigation").

The exclusive appears to be entirely a witness account; although the existence of a "recorded and transcribed" interview is mentioned it's not clear whether The Australian had access to this directly.

Some other information is also lacking, though I'm sure A.A. Alfie will disagree - there is no evidence presented to show that Gillard committed a crime. There is also no evidence presented to show that Gillard's claims of innocence are false or lies. The closest it comes is the journalist reporting a man's statement mentioning an interview in which Gillard denied but did not rule out unknowingly receiving funds that may or may not have been acquired illegally (although an "exhaustive" police probe, with detectives wanting to charge the two men they suspected, never led to any prosecutions), and produced evidence to show that she had not directly used any such money to renovate her property. (For good measure, she also contradicts Pickering's claims that Bernard Murphy was involved with the creation of the account.)

Also (emphasis mine, but statement by the exclusive witness):
"As for the florid allegations suggesting a cover-up by Slater & Gordon made in some radio interviews and online media, they are utterly absurd."
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Heh.

Now for an apology. There were parts of this that I didn't think were true and hadn't bothered to investigate at all, and even with the "exhaustive" police probe that never led anywhere I would no longer be surprised if Wilson was guilty. On the other hand, I have still failed to see any reason that Gillard was complicit, let alone benefited from it, let alone was aware of it.

A.A. Alfie, since I still don't know, would you care to suggest what crime(s) you think/know Gillard committed? You did call her a crook, and you do have a source, which seems excessive if you think she just committed an error of judgement in trusting a man who clearly fooled a lot of other people. If you named a crime, is there evidence implicating her which is available to you but not the general public? If it is available to the general public, would you mind pointing it out?
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
Some details?
What is he lying about?
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It was something about the carbon tax - his speech to the SA Liberal conference was being broadcast on ABC 24 at the time. It was distracting enough that I forgot the original reason I started the post, and you might want to re-read it since I've added the actual discussion I was going to make.
 
uvar said:
It was something about the carbon tax - his speech to the SA Liberal conference was being broadcast on ABC 24 at the time. It was distracting enough that I forgot the original reason I started the post, and you might want to re-read it since I've added the actual discussion I was going to make.
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So what lie did he tell? What exactly are you alluding to? "Something abut the carbon tax" is pretty vague, don't you think?

What is the lie?
 
I think he is alluding to Stalin saying that the electricity price rises are due to the carbon tax. I will try and find some video.
 
You can get around the UnOz pay wall by copying the headline of the article in google and clicking on the UnOz link that comes up.
 
Stalin said.
The carbon price is responsible for 100% of the electricity price rise in Queensland.
80% in western Sydney and Canberra.
And at least 50% in the rest of Australia.
Stalin is getting desperate, he realises his scare mongering has not worked and he is now upping the ante with lies.
Alfie, that is a lie. He knows it is a lie but takes the Australian people as fools, I resent that greatly.
No carbon tax under a government that I lead was not a lie.
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...et-investigation/story-fn6tcxar-1226452973559

JULIA Gillard left her job as a partner with law firm Slater & Gordon as a direct result of a secret internal probe in 1995 into controversial work she had done for her then boyfriend, a union boss accused of corruption, The Weekend Australian can reveal.

Nick Styant-Browne, a former equity partner of the firm, broke a 17-year silence yesterday to reveal that the firm's probe included a confidential formal interview with the Prime Minister - then an industrial lawyer - on September 11, 1995, which was "recorded and transcribed".

In the interview, Ms Gillard stated that she could not categorically rule out that she had personally benefited from union funds in the renovation of her Melbourne house, according to Mr Styant-Browne.

Gathering even more steam it seems.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
uvar said:
A.A. Alfie, since I still don't know, would you care to suggest what crime(s) you think/know Gillard committed?
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I have no idea. I have not suggested she is guilty of anything except being a really really really bad PM.


uvar said:
You did call her a crook,
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I don't think so.
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Oh, my mistake. You used the phrase "Is our Prime Minister a crook?" but that was the title of Pickering's blog series, not your own words. I do apologise (twice in one day!).

Thanks also for clearing up about the criminality matter; I hope that your use of "suggested" wasn't a sneaky attempt to avoid having to answer and will assume you meant "I don't think/know she committed a crime [as part of Wilson's alleged defrauding of AWU funds]" unless you correct me, or let me know you're not willing to answer. With the rare rhetorical or snarky one, my questions aren't trick questions, after all.

But in that case, you don't agree with Larry Pickering (since among many other things, he claims that Gillard knowingly assisted, which would be a criminal offence). Nothing's wrong with hope but it seems very optimistic to expect Gillard's leadership of the Labor party to end if you don't agree with the key fact that's supposed to make her position untenable. It's unfortunate you can't share your source's information with us, since otherwise these claims really don't even reach the level of "interesting reading"*.

ETA: Yes, A.A. Alfie, that's the article I linked to and mentioned in my previous post; amusing to see how we apparently got opposing opinions from it.

*Although Part V is "interesting" in the sense that Pickering makes several more claims and allegations and drags several more people into the conspiracy, but continues to provide no evidence.
 
uvar said:
Oh, my mistake. You used the phrase "Is our Prime Minister a crook?" but that was the title of Pickering's blog series, not your own words. I do apologise (twice in one day!).
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No probs. Misunderstandings, misspellings and assumptions are par for the course. It's nice to know that there are at least two of us willing to admit to them when they arise.

Cheers.
 
This so called scandal that Pickering has resurrected, there is an article in the Sun Herald today. http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-pm-an-old-flame-and-a-lot-of-smoke-20120818-24f3m.html
From the Herald
This story has dogged Ms Gillard over and over again since it was first raised under privilege in the Victorian Parliament in October 1995.
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By 2007, when the issues were raised again, she was about to become the deputy prime minister.
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When the stories resurfaced yet again last year in a column by Milne, with a suggestion that Ms Gillard had unknowingly benefited from the alleged wrongdoing of Mr Wilson, she threatened legal action - and Milne was swiftly removed as a columnist with The Australian.
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It seems it is not a deep dark secret that Pickering is now uncovering, but a possible vendetta by the Worst Prime Minister Ever haters to get at her.

According to the Herald Pickering admits
Pickering's storyline has become grubbier and more personal. By his own admission, he uses a lot of poetic licence. He embellishes this with salacious details about Ms Gillard and Mr Wilson's relationship, and he drops some of the nations biggest names in construction and politics.
''I have used melodrama,'' Pickering tells The Sun-Herald. ''That is what gets people in and gets them interested.''
It has certainly spiked the interest of radio stalwarts Derryn Hinch, Alan Jones and Steve Price, and the columnist Andrew Bolt.
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So what have we here a hard hiting factual account of the scandal from the past of The Worst Prime Minister Ever.
Or a dredging up of well trodden and unproven muck racking by the Worst Prime Minister Ever haters.
I think a lot of people on the right, including Alfie have not got over the 2010 defeat for government by Stalin.



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Indeed, Fairfax are reporting on it now - albeit very gently. And if you read the facts and not just the biased Yabbie loving paragraphs you will find much of interest in there.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-...ot-of-smoke-20120818-24f3m.html#ixzz23vg1KMye

Here's a little support about the Milne claim:

When the stories resurfaced yet again last year in a column by Milne, with a suggestion that Ms Gillard had unknowingly benefited from the alleged wrongdoing of Mr Wilson, she threatened legal action - and Milne was swiftly removed as a columnist with The Australian.
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There's this for example:

The case became even more intriguing yesterday when a former Slater & Gordon equity lawyer, Nick Styant-Browne, told The Australian that Ms Gillard had lost her job after an internal investigation by the law firm into work she had done for Mr Wilson.
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and this

But in Melbourne last week, Hinch broadcast an interview with Pickering discussing the latest revelations, much of them based on the work of Harry Nowicki, a retired lawyer who once worked for the former Builders Labourers Federation, and who has been researching his book on the AWU.
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Nowicki has some other interesting information about why the fraud case originally stopped , there is obviously a lot more to play out.

Only time will tell here.
But what is true is that it is certainly sparking interest - not to mention anger - across the media and cyberspace.
 
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