Split Thread Judy Wood and dustification

MikeW said:
S'okay - actually I hope you're right! It would be very interesting to have the whole set available. And of course if there's anything less then we'll forever be hearing talk of how some photos have been "suppressed" by the evil mainstream media...
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Be prepared for more truther piffle!! Oh no, here comes Ace Baker and his "provide evidence that these photos weren't altered" nonsense!!
 
Carll68 said:
Hey big brain.....are you truly this uneducated? Me thinks you are a troll, because no one can be as dumb as you 8+ years after 9/11

The terrorists didnt just utilize box cutters genius...they gave the passengers and surviving crew members the impression that they had bombs strapped to them, and that if they co-operated, all would be safe. it was the heroes of flight 93 that figured out this con as reports trickled in to them on the days events.

Are you special needs?

Also, they were not cave dwellers..that is the most misguided moronic comment truthers spew. They in fact were highly educated, expertly disciplined, exceptionally funded and universally motivated men. OBL was a muti millionaire..or did you not know this either?

Also, THE GROUND TRUTH does not just exist on the 'interwebs'. it's a real book on store shelves and in library aisles. Your delusional ramblings on this topic only serve to show how severely stunted your research is, and how misguided you are in general. Farmer thinks and stated that the 9/11 Commission report is a rousing success, and the books details the obstacles they faced, and how they cut through them to present the official story, and how that story is a highly accurate account of the events despite the resistance of some branches to release information.

You only complain about people asking for evidence to support your tripe for one reason and one reason only:

YOU HAVE NONE.

Please seek help in your pathetic life and pursue an actual education.
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Have you ever seen those palatial Caves that they have over there ? I was really surprised myself when Don Rumsfeld and a reporter revealed just how richly appointed they were...and how many of them too !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTgpsAs4_c&feature=related BBC Clip
 
jammonius said:
This one shows the store INNOVATIONS. You can now use a map of the mall in conjunction with the WTCcomplex that was right atop the mall to see where these persons were walking.

[qimg]http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image312.jpg[/qimg]
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Wow, how suprising, it came from Judy Wood's idiotci website.

PS, take a look in the background, and look at the roof. Tell me what you see??

PS, can you point to where the store was in relation to the WTC??
 
Are you implying that OBL is not a multi millionaire?

A) Yes
B) No

If A) please invest in an education more than a internet based degree mill
If B), then, well, here is some information to better confirm his wealth:

The Cost Of Being Osama Bin Laden
Dan Ackman, 09.14.01, 6:34 PM ET

NEW YORK - Osama bin Laden, the suspected mastermind of the coordinated attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, is the heir to a Saudi billionaire, who himself controls a fortune widely estimated at $300 million. That sum is large anywhere, but in Afghanistan, where bin Laden is based, it can command an empire.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/09/14/0914ladenmoney.html

Sorry kid that your pitiful education prevents you from realizing the truisms that circumvent your blatant illogical stereotypes.

Seek help...fast
 
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jammonius said:
twinstead,

As seen in the response to dtugg, supporters of the common myth all too often engage in the burden shifting ploy such that they do not post up any of what you claim is HUGE "evidence that supports the commonly-held narrative of that day."

The evidence supporting the common myth is "huge" only in the sense that it has been stupidly and uncritically repeated so often that people may tend to forget the extent to which the complete suspension of the capacity for critical thinking is required to accept the myth as true. The particulars of why it should be given any credibility at all is lacking.

Here we have, just by way of example, one dtugg requiring proof that the 9/11 Commission Report is deemed to be false, as if dtugg is completely unaware that John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law, former Attorney General of New Jersey and was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report has called the report more or less "a complete lie" and he wrote it.

One has to ask, is dtugg alone in being ignorant of the extent to which the 9/11 Cmmission report is a lie?

How about you, twinstead. Are you one who takes comfort from the 9/11 Commission Report? Is it a part of that HUGE supply of compelling evidence supporting the common myth in your reckoning?

If you won't answer this question here, in the open, will you at least answer it to yourself? Do you include the 9/11 Commission Report as evidence in support of the common myth?

John Farmer, who wrote it does not.

Here are questions you might like to know about John Farmer:

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes.

Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No.

Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes.

Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer also states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . "

Here's a question that some of you might like to consider:

When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done, ever, not even now?
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Again. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Your misplaced arrogance and internet bravado has no effect on reality. You act as if the "Man" pulled the "official story" out of its rear end and the whole world just accepted it as fact, no questions asked.

You couldn't be further from the truth. You're the internet equivalent of the bearded old man on the street corner spewing spittle wild-eyed that the world is going to end and we are all going to hell.

You know what rational people do in that situation? We just step over the poor man and get on with life. I swear if I have to read too many more investigoogling internet warriors' ranting and raving about an inside job on relatively obscure forums instead of actually convincing somebody who can DO something about it I'm going to throw up.
 
bill smith said:
I've been sitting back and enjoying the frantic gathering and scurrying of debunkers since Judy Wood came up. Let's face it girls.....you are SCARED STIFF of her. It stands out a mile,
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You know, calling people names, is not acceptable, and is against the rules.

Just FYI.
 
jammonius said:
Dr. Wood's case did not get to the stage where she could question those MIC individuals who could have been required to reveal information that might well have cracked open the mysteries of 9/11.
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Why is that?

Also, can you explain why you are unable to articulate what happened on 9/11/2001? You seem to have strong opinions on some aspects, but are unwilling to even tell the true story?
 
bill smith said:
Ask Don Rumsfeld. He's the one who knows. See the video above entitled 'BBC Clip' (post #354)
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Ummm yeah right Billy Jean, Don Rumsfeld lives in a "cave" because you say so. Have you ever stop to think that he lives in a house that's much better looking than yours? Or is it that you live in a dusty & damp cave?
 
Hopeless

bill smith said:
Ask Don Rumsfeld. He's the one who knows. See the video above entitled 'BBC Clip' (post #354)
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Why do you care where OBL lives, or in what house? Did you not know that he had many homes, and a (now dilapidated) mansion?

We are talking about net worth. Try to keep up.

You are talking about caves.

We know why. because you have nothing else to talk about.

Why not try to discuss something that supports your nutcase hair-brained ideas, instead of just posting nonsense that exploits you for the delusional truther you are?

Not to mention, AQ is not just funded from his net worth, which is north of $100,000,000. They are funded by donations, upwards of $30,000,000 annually.

You are welcome for the education.
 
BigAl said:
Those are MY web pages and my notes for the reading I've done in this area for the last 20 years. Follow the links and learn.

That would be one post with hundreds of individual citations, many of which are quotes from bin Laden prior to 9/11/2001 where he declares war on the U.S. Here it is again. Follow the link to links to the cited items. It's all here, right back to primary source.
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Greetings Big Al,

Notice what has happened here. You offered up 1 post of attempted proof of the common myth, consisting, as you say, in YOUR web pages and notes for the reading you've done in this area for the last 20 years. (By the way, it doesn't add much to your credibility to say you knew OBL did it before it happened. In the official version of the myth, it took until about 10 seconds after the second explosion for the mainstream media to determine who did it; and, it took about 1 hour after the Twin Towers were destroyed for some bozo to figure out exactly why it happened -- structural failure -- a line that has not ever been deviated from since then.

But I digrsss, it appears, Big Al, that despite your posting up 1 response that sought to give some rationale for the common myth, with some attempt at proof or verification, no one here, not one of your presumed allies, has commented on your post at all, let alone expand upon it.

Therein lies proof of concept. The 9/11 myth does not require proof and none is ever offered or given. You tried your best, Big Al, but your effort is tainted because, by your own statement, you knew who did it before it was done. So, your research is obviously biased in favor of a pre-determined outlook. Maybe that is why no one, no one at all, commented on your post; and, instead, merely continued the hysterics that bill smith identified. Almost all of the responses have been directed toward the proof that Dr. Judy Wood has provided.

That is extraordinary and provides a bit of confirmation for what the real issue is; the emotional attachment to the need to believe in the common myth. Proof of the common myth is not required; however defense of the common myth, at all costs, is mandatory. That is what we see here.

Small wonder, then, that those we trust can fail and/or refuse to investigate 9/11 and then not even punish those who would have to be responsible for the monumental, complete and total failure of every single fail-safe device, system and/or process, not once, twice, thrice, but four times in a single morning, that belief in that myth requires.

So, put simply, they can deceive us as to what happened and then not even take the normal and obvious steps that belief in the common myth requires.

My deep concern here is that the USA is being set up for other and further false flag ops. And more have occurred since 9/11, including, by way of only the most blatantly obvious examples, the 2001 Anthrax attack, the 2007 nuke fly-over and attempted theft mishap (that was a serious one, posters) and the Underwear bomber of December, last.

Each of those 3 events is a blatantly obvious false flag op. It is highly likely that the 2008 financial collapse is in the nature of such an attack, albeit on a different plane.

Now, back to the emotional issue. Those who support the common myth are quick to dress themselves up in the flag and to presume they are doing the patriotic thing. In this thread it was parky, I believe, who jumped on that issue and after first proclaiming him/herself right about everything, then added to his/her luster with a proclamation of mom, applepie and patriotic virtue to boot! Needless to say, I and those who question 9/11 were singled out as America-haters.

No, the reverse is more likely true in a certain sense, posters. Those of us who are questioning 9/11 are actually looking out for America. The system of corporate control and governance, the influence of the MIC that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us against in no uncertain terms, the system of secrecy upon which that undue influence is largely based has nearly destroyed us, has bankrupted us and may yet do us in completely.

It is patriotic to question 9/11, could more of you but realize it. I am not here doing what parky did in that I am not questioning your patriotism, like parky questioned mine. Instead, I am acknowledging the strong emotional pull that support of the common myth entails. It is more natural to assume that those who run things aren't trying to do us in. The problem is, we don't really know who is running things. We do not know who did 9/11 and won't begin to know unless and until we figure out and get a grip on what happened.

OK, posters? Please consider dropping the stupid name calling and the other forms of making light of the very serious plight we are all in.

blessings
 
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Folks, this has drifted quite a bit off topic now. Nothing Jam or any other conspiracy addicts here has even addressed the 3,000 photos, nor has spoken to anything about how they supposedly contradict the "Official Story". Jammonius started in that direction, but quickly left it after only posting a tiny handful of isolated images and saying, essentially, "See? Flat.", when they didn't demonstrate anything approaching that. And he's now diving into alternate topic territory.

If the truthers want to bring up the 9/11 Commision Report, or discuss bin Laden and his hijackers, there are plenty of threads for that. I recommend we report other posts not relevant to the images as being off topic from here on out. All the conspiracy peddlers here are doing is their normal stunt of polluting a thread with miscellania and empty assertions.
 
I reported the posts as off-topic yesterday. I trust that the mods will get to it when they have a chance. Shame on me for continuing to post after this drifted away from the topic. Jammonius is about to join the rest of the truthers on my ignore list, if he can't explain, in his own words, what happened on 9/11/2001.
 
jammonius said:
Greetings Big Al,

Notice what has happened here. You offered up 1 post of attempted proof of the common myth, consisting, as you say, in YOUR web pages and notes for the reading you've done in this area for the last 20 years. (By the way, it doesn't add much to your credibility to say you knew OBL did it before it happened.
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bin Laden publicly declared war on the US in 1991. He killed Americans several times prior to 9/11.
In the official version of the myth, it took until about 10 seconds after the second explosion for the mainstream media to determine who did it;
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That's becuase everyone that paid attention to international news had it figured out. There was news on BBC on the evening of 9/10/2001 out of Afghanistan that I took to mean that someting big was about to happen.
and, it took about 1 hour after the Twin Towers were destroyed for some bozo to figure out exactly why it happened -- structural failure -- a line that has not ever been deviated from since then.
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Yup. It was obvious that structural damage and fire caused all three towers to collapse. I was one of those people.
 
carlitos said:
I reported the posts as off-topic yesterday. I trust that the mods will get to it when they have a chance. Shame on me for continuing to post after this drifted away from the topic. Jammonius is about to join the rest of the truthers on my ignore list, if he can't explain, in his own words, what happened on 9/11/2001.
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Don't feel bad; I did the same thing.

I've tried to be helpful to the mods and suggest some better threads for the posts I'm reporting as off topic. I'm not advocating those posts be banished; rather, I'm suggesting that they belong better in other threads where the issues in the posts are discussed more fully. It's silly for rehashes of, say, the 9/11 Commision Report, or the whole "Arabs in a Cave" mythology to be raised in a context where information needs to be repeated. Better those posts be put in the threads topical to those claims.

ETA: Let me emphasize that I'm not doing this or suggesting it be done in order to be punitive. All threads drift at times. Rather, I'm suggesting that many of these posts do better in places where their full context can be evaluated. That's all.
 
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jammonius said:
Greetings Big Al,

Notice what has happened here. You offered up 1 post of attempted proof of the common myth, consisting, as you say, in YOUR web pages and notes for the reading you've done in this area for the last 20 years. (By the way, it doesn't add much to your credibility to say you knew OBL did it before it happened. In the official version of the myth, it took until about 10 seconds after the second explosion for the mainstream media to determine who did it; and, it took about 1 hour after the Twin Towers were destroyed for some bozo to figure out exactly why it happened -- structural failure -- a line that has not ever been deviated from since then.

Common myth about what? There are no myths, just stupid people asking stupid questions from a dumb Movement which has no Truth in it, then refuses to accept the answers given to them.

But I digrsss, it appears, Big Al, that despite your posting up 1 response that sought to give some rationale for the common myth, with some attempt at proof or verification, no one here, not one of your presumed allies, has commented on your post at all, let alone expand upon it.

Big Al handed you your own words back at you, you choose to ignore his answers.

Therein lies proof of concept. The 9/11 myth does not require proof and none is ever offered or given. You tried your best, Big Al, but your effort is tainted because, by your own statement, you knew who did it before it was done. So, your research is obviously biased in favor of a pre-determined outlook. Maybe that is why no one, no one at all, commented on your post; and, instead, merely continued the hysterics that bill smith identified. Almost all of the responses have been directed toward the proof that Dr. Judy Wood has provided.

Actually according to the Federal Rules of Evidence, it's required by Federal Law, that you must have evidence to bring to Federal Court. Without doing so is hearsay & hearsay isn't accepted by the Rules of Evidence.

That is extraordinary and provides a bit of confirmation for what the real issue is; the emotional attachment to the need to believe in the common myth. Proof of the common myth is not required; however defense of the common myth, at all costs, is mandatory. That is what we see here.

The real issue is that you have no evidence to make people think or suggest otherwise. People are not going to think like you, no matter how you try to slice the truth.

Small wonder, then, that those we trust can fail and/or refuse to investigate 9/11 and then not even punish those who would have to be responsible for the monumental, complete and total failure of every single fail-safe device, system and/or process, not once, twice, thrice, but four times in a single morning, that belief in that myth requires.

It was investigated, so stop being another carbon copy of Richard Gage saying that we need a "new investigation". You're never gonna get it, period!

So, put simply, they can deceive us as to what happened and then not even take the normal and obvious steps that belief in the common myth requires.

Talk about decieveing, you've done alot of that already. Backpeddling cause you have nothing further to offer.

My deep concern here is that the USA is being set up for other and further false flag ops. And more have occurred since 9/11, including, by way of only the most blatantly obvious examples, the 2001 Anthrax attack, the 2007 nuke fly-over and attempted theft mishap (that was a serious one, posters) and the Underwear bomber of December, last.

False Flags? Isn't there a false flag operation going on in the Truth Movement to have a coupe de' ta & try to overthrow the U.S. Government so that the Truthers can have their Neo-Nazi views set in place & destroy America from within? Didn't Hitler do that in Germany in the late 1930's before he became mad with power? It's quite clear what your objective is.

Each of those 3 events is a blatantly obvious false flag op. It is highly likely that the 2008 financial collapse is in the nature of such an attack, albeit on a different plane.

You have no evidence!

Now, back to the emotional issue. Those who support the common myth are quick to dress themselves up in the flag and to presume they are doing the patriotic thing. In this thread it was parky, I believe, who jumped on that issue and after first proclaiming him/herself right about everything, then added to his/her luster with a proclamation of mom, applepie and patriotic virtue to boot! Needless to say, I and those who question 9/11 were singled out as America-haters.

The patriotic thing is to fight our enemies, both foreign & domestic. You are such an enemy!

No, the reverse is more likely true in a certain sense, posters. Those of us who are questioning 9/11 are actually looking out for America. The system of corporate control and governance, the influence of the MIC that Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us against in no uncertain terms, the system of secrecy upon which that undue influence is largely based has nearly destroyed us, has bankrupted us and may yet do us in completely.

No you're not "looking out for America", you want it's destruction just like you want to destroy the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights.

It is patriotic to question 9/11, could more of you but realize it. I am not here doing what parky did in that I am not questioning your patriotism, like parky questioned mine. Instead, I am acknowledging the strong emotional pull that support of the common myth entails. It is more natural to assume that those who run things aren't trying to do us in. The problem is, we don't really know who is running things. We do not know who did 9/11 and won't begin to know unless and until we figure out and get a grip on what happened.

Actually it's people like you & the Truth Movement who are trying to run this country into the ground. You've got alot to learn!

OK, posters? Please consider dropping the stupid name calling and the other forms of making light of the very serious plight we are all in.

What "serious plight"? The plight that you have because you have nothing & that you're still 100% WRONG.

blessings
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Just so everyone is tracking, arguing with a DEWer is about the same as arguing with a no planer. If they are so completely dellusional to actually believe that some sort of super secret energy weapon took down the towers odds are they need some sort of professional help that I doubt any of us have the credentials to provide.
 
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