Split Thread Judy Wood and dustification

So let me get this right, the steel in the towers that remianed standing was somehow transformed into the kind of metal we only find in alien space craft. I guess that explains why the steel that got dustified isn't magnetic or radioactive or anything that anyone can notice. It's still steel, but it's lost ALL of the properties that one would associate with steel.

This is amazing! And what kind of energy beam did this?
 
That's silly. The work of the 9/11 Commission is official and is certainly valid. The worst that can be said of it is that it is incomplete.

Nothing you can bring up against the Commission report discredits massive amount of evidence we have for the core conclusion, that 19 Islamist Arabs lead by bin Laden hijacked 4 planes and crashed them into three buildings and this caused all the death and destruction on 9/11.

No, the worst that can be said of it is it contains lies and misleading information, not just incomplete.
 
Without you all going into a mindless feeding frenzy of bloodlust who can give a balanced report of what Dr. Wood thinks of the Thermite theories of Dr. Jones ?
 
I especially like jammonius' technique of trying to turn this around and portray US as the ones who don't have any evidence to support our positions. when of course it is HE who is the one making this bold claim with no evidence to support it.

The body of evidence that supports the commonly-held narrative of that day is HUGE very and compelling to any rational person. The fact is all jammonius can do to support his position is to desperately try to discredit little pieces of that body of evidence. That's the way somebody debates when he's just trying muddy the water and has no real evidence to support his own position.

Hmmmm. Try to knock down the "official story" in order to shoehorn some less-likely, idiotic theory in its place. Wow. That's a new technique. We're done, boys. Pack up and go home!
 
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Without you all going into a mindless feeding frenzy of bloodlust who can give a balanced report of what Dr. Wood thinks of the Thermite theories of Dr. Jones ?

Without you all going into a mindless feeding frenzy of bloodlust who can give a balanced report of what Dr. Jones thinks of the Hurricane Powered No Planer theories of Dr. Wood?

Tell you what Bill, why don't you truthers come up with a theory and we'll go from there?

Judy Wood, Judy Wood would.

Judy Wood would break Ace's heart!

Hurricane powered hutchinson effect Dirested Energy Weapons. Hilarious!!!
 
I have been out of the "Truth" game for a while, but don't most truthers stay as far away from Judy "Space Beam" Woods as they can?
 
Well then surely you can demonstrate, with proof, one lie from it. Right?

dtugg,

Why are you shifting the burden of proof, yet again? Do those who support the common myth of 9/11 EVER take up their own cause and provide support for the absurd notion that 19 Arabswth boxcutters could outwit the entire US defense apparatus; and, after that, no one finds it necessary to either investigate, much less hold anyone accountable for such a glaring failure?

And, the degree of disengenuity in your post is outrageous. Always shifting the burden of proof. Almost no one defends the 9/1 Commission Report. Just last year, 2009, one of the chief authors of the report published a book basically castigating the entire process as A BIG LIE. Why should you, dtugg, be deemed to be ignorant of that fact, such that someone has to prove to you the 9/11 Commission Report was a total lie?

Your willful blindness does not need to be rewarded with someone doing your homework for you. Have you no independent interest in posting up something that affirms the integrity of the 9/11 Commission Report?

Will you post up something, anything?

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Do you even get this hint?
 
Originally Posted by jammonius
Posters, I've had my say on this matter. Like bill smith, I am now going to stand back for awhile and not respond further to posts.

:D

wow Jam, you were able to stop posting in this thread for a whole 3 hours. I'm impressed.
 
dtugg,

Why are you shifting the burden of proof, yet again? Do those who support the common myth of 9/11 EVER take up their own cause and provide support for the absurd notion that 19 Arabswth boxcutters could outwit the entire US defense apparatus; and, after that, no one finds it necessary to either investigate, much less hold anyone accountable for such a glaring failure?

And, the degree of disengenuity in your post is outrageous. Always shifting the burden of proof. Almost no one defends the 9/1 Commission Report. Just last year, 2009, one of the chief authors of the report published a book basically castigating the entire process as A BIG LIE. Why should you, dtugg, be deemed to be ignorant of that fact, such that someone has to prove to you the 9/11 Commission Report was a total lie?

Your willful blindness does not need to be rewarded with someone doing your homework for you. Have you no independent interest in posting up something that affirms the integrity of the 9/11 Commission Report?

Will you post up something, anything?

http://rcm-images.amazon.com/images/I/41TsmZCR3qL._SL110_.jpg
Do you even get this hint?

Just FYI jammonius, those that support Judy Woods and DEW theories don't get much credibility around here.
 
I especially like jammonius' technique of trying to turn this around and portray US as the ones who don't have any evidence to support our positions. when of course it is HE who is the one making this bold claim with no evidence to support it.

The body of evidence that supports the commonly-held narrative of that day is HUGE very and compelling to any rational person. The fact is all jammonius can do to support his position is to desperately try to discredit little pieces of that body of evidence. That's the way somebody debates when he's just trying muddy the water and has no real evidence to support his own position.

Hmmmm. Try to knock down the "official story" in order to shoehorn some less-likely, idiotic theory in its place. Wow. That's a new technique. We're done, boys. Pack up and go home!


twinstead,

As seen in the response to dtugg, supporters of the common myth all too often engage in the burden shifting ploy such that they do not post up any of what you claim is HUGE "evidence that supports the commonly-held narrative of that day."

The evidence supporting the common myth is "huge" only in the sense that it has been stupidly and uncritically repeated so often that people may tend to forget the extent to which the complete suspension of the capacity for critical thinking is required to accept the myth as true. The particulars of why it should be given any credibility at all is lacking.

Here we have, just by way of example, one dtugg requiring proof that the 9/11 Commission Report is deemed to be false, as if dtugg is completely unaware that John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law, former Attorney General of New Jersey and was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report has called the report more or less "a complete lie" and he wrote it.

One has to ask, is dtugg alone in being ignorant of the extent to which the 9/11 Cmmission report is a lie?

How about you, twinstead. Are you one who takes comfort from the 9/11 Commission Report? Is it a part of that HUGE supply of compelling evidence supporting the common myth in your reckoning?

If you won't answer this question here, in the open, will you at least answer it to yourself? Do you include the 9/11 Commission Report as evidence in support of the common myth?

John Farmer, who wrote it does not.

Here are questions you might like to know about John Farmer:

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes.

Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No.

Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes.

Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer also states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . "

Here's a question that some of you might like to consider:

When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done, ever, not even now?
 
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dtugg,

Why are you shifting the burden of proof, yet again? Do those who support the common myth of 9/11 EVER take up their own cause and provide support for the absurd notion that 19 Arabswth boxcutters could outwit the entire US defense apparatus; and, after that, no one finds it necessary to either investigate, much less hold anyone accountable for such a glaring failure?

So your answer is; "No, I cannot point out one lie from the 9/11 Commission report. All I can do is change the subject."

Gotcha.
 
John Farmer, who wrote it does not.

Here are questions you might like to know about John Farmer:

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes.

Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No.

Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes.

Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer also states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . "

Here's a question that some of you might like to consider:

When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done, ever, not even now?

You haven't read Farmer's book, have you? All you have is cherry-picked quotes.

He says the Truthers are wrong.
 
Here we have, just by way of example, one dtugg requiring proof that the 9/11 Commission Report is deemed to be false, as if dtugg is completely unaware that John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law, former Attorney General of New Jersey and was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report has called the report more or less "a complete lie" and he wrote it.

Ah, so you haven't actually read Farmer's book, have you? What you are quoting are the cover blurbs and advertising. In the book itself, Farmer makes the point that, in spite of all the mentioned obstacles, the commission found the truth.

Do better, your fail is stinking up the place.

By the way, did you see that Dr. Judy is now suing her attorney (Jerry "Scumbag Ambulance Chaser" Leapheart) for false representation? Seems his 'DEW' couldn't 'dustify' her steel.
 
beachnut,

Look, do you or do you not acknowledge there's no official and valid explanation for what happened on 9/11?

Merely disagreeing with me serves no useful purpose. We are doing different things here. I am showing evidence consistent with the DEW explanation of what destroyed the WTC. And, you are saying, no, no, no.

What proposition do you assert your pictures of steel and of rebar show?

Why is that steel and rebar just sitting there, whereever the 'there' is.

What happened to cause the deformities in the steel in the pictures you've posted up?

Of course, these questions are rhetorical because the answer is known:

No one analyzed the steel in the pictures you are showing. That is the issue. That is the problem that ALL OF US HAVE, could we but recognize it.

There is no valid explanation as to what happened. The issue is unsolved, unresolved and unexplained.

Here, then, is one of the most important statements about the lack of explanation of what destroyed the WTC, in the context of the issue of steel in the entire body of 9/11 research work. This is a key passage, posters, do grasp this:

"The Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society (JOM) reports that the examination of a beam from the remains of WTC Building 7—which collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11 (see (5:20 p.m.) September 11, 2001)—has revealed “unexpected erosion” of the steel. The article states: “The formation of the eutectic mixture of iron oxide and iron sulfide lowers the temperature at which liquid can form in this steel. This strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached around 1,000°C, forming the eutectic liquid by a process similar to making a ‘blacksmith’s weld’ in a hand forge.” [Barnett, Biederman, and Sisson, 12/2001] The New York Times will call this “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.” [New York Times, 2/2/2002] FEMA’s World Trade Center Building Performance Study, released in May 2002 (see May 1, 2002), will add that the same “unusual erosion patterns” have been observed in a sample of the remaining structural steel from one of the Twin Towers. It will state, “This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion.” FEMA is unable to explain this phenomenon, saying, “The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion… are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.… It is possible that this is the result of long-term heating in the ground following the collapse of the buildings. It is also possible that the phenomenon started prior to collapse and accelerated the weakening of the steel structure.” [Federal Emergency Management Agency, 5/1/2002, pp. C-1 - C-13] Despite FEMA’s call for further research, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) will make no mention of the eutectic formations in its final report into the WTC collapses, released in late 2005, following its three-year investigation. [National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 13 ] "

And, with respect to this unexpected and unexplained, other than Dr. Wood's DEW explanation, that is, erosion phenomenon, this is the key visual evidence:

[qimg]http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/632_eutectic.jpg[/qimg]
There is no explanation of what happened to the steel. Your photos are good ones for a certain proposition, or rather a certain question. Your photos are good for the proposition that why was none of it analyzed by a competent authority?

Further, the pile of steel in your pictures appears, from your post, to be standing for the contention that no steel was turned to dust, despite the visual evidence I continue to show that demonstrates the process in action. We now add to the visual evidence the documentary evidence that the steel that was not turned to dust showed unusual erosion and decomposition that has not ever been explained.

I have posted two types of visual data:

1--That showing the process of steel being turned to dust; and'
2--That showing that GZ was flat.

Here is yet another example of the latter:

[qimg]http://drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BBEpics/after.gif[/qimg]

And now I have posted evidence of unusual decomposition shown in the steel that remained.

The photos in beachnut's post also show unusual erosion, but none of that has ever been explained or analyzed properly, other than in the work done by Dr. Wood based on the visual component.

It was up to the properly empowered governmental authorities to determine what happened on 9/11. That was not done.

That is why we remain, to this day, vulnerable to other, further and more horrific false flag ops, posters.

Is anyone concerned about this; or, is the preferred methodology that of denial that 9/11 was a false flag op so that no one has to worry much about it happening again?

I understand that on many levels of being, especially emotional ones, denial of the false flag possibility is the preferred way to think.

So, posters, from this post forward, hadn't we ought to just focus on the real issue; namely: The emotional compenent of 9/11 that forces us to take certain positions because of our predisposition to do one of two things:

We either:

1--think critically about 9/11 with a willingness to consider that authorities we trust are lying to us; or,

2--we dare not consider the possibility that trusted authroities are engaging in deception.


You really are a blind fool aren't ya Jammonius? Take a look for a change with your eyes instead of thinking ahead of yourself:
 

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