Split Thread Judy Wood and dustification

At some point, discussion becomes rather fixed. Your quoted claim is made almost immediately below post #247 that shows steel being turned to dust, at least arguably.

Lets do a little experiment. Get a chunk of ordinary steel, a pound or two. Try a junk yard.

Take any tool or physical process you can find that can reduce that chuck into smaller bits. Talk to any mechanic or physicist or anyone else you can find. Does anyone point to anything that turns that chunk of steel into dust consistent with whatever pictures you see?

The only tool I can think of is a bench grinder or some abrasive tool and none of them work in the seconds that it took for a WTC tower to collapse.

Take it to a university science lab. Ask them to make suggestions and point lasers and plasma beams (DEW) at it. See any dust yet? No?

Maybe you are barking (mad) up the wrong tree.
 
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I await Jam's evidence that the 350,000 tons of steel figure, is incorrect, with bated breath.

:)
 
here is a truck carrying WTC "dust".

377851947_e0229d9c1d.jpg


look, more "dust"

Beam_truck1.jpg


more "dust".

911-steel-for-sale.jpg


"dust"??

379_wtc_steel_beams2050081722-9429.jpg


look at all that "dust"!!!!

WTC_release_8-31-09.jpg
 
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Thank you for posting the mall diagram.

So, we now know where Innovations Luggage was. Presumably, the claim is that that part of the mall survived, but others didn't. Even that, however, is a lessening of the claim. The entire mall cannot have been destroyed because there's photo proof of that.

Plus, there is no proof other parts of the mall were destroyed.

Plus, there is the bruhaha about whether or not jeans from Gap store, which is at the closest end of the mall to the Towers, were looted.

Admittedly, the information here is a mess and few conclusions one way or another can be gleaned from sources like this:

http://www.wtclivinghistory.org/images/page160_big.jpg

While conclusions one way or another cannot be drawn, it is clear that even if there was some damage to the mall floor, the above account shows that a firetruck was retrieved from it. The mall floor was the 1st sub-basement.

You folks are going to strenuous extremes, as usual, to prove very little.

You can't even prove the first level of the sub-basement was damaged much, let alone lower ones. :eye-poppi


innovation luggage, was UNDERNEATH WTC4, and thus protected by the collapse of the towers.

innovationluggage.jpg


fig_1_7.jpg


wtc-lidar092701-site-1.jpg


ground_zero_arial2_ort.jpg
 
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Steel being turned to dust instantaneously:
[qimg]http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/GJS-WTC030c_original.jpg[/qimg]
Look!

People that do welding wear UV goggles for good reason, to save their eyes.

Wood's "beams" would be like a welding torch but a million million times worse. People for miles would be made blind or even get sunburns. Nobody got a tan on 9/11. I would have been one of those people.

Your pictures look exactly like the smoke and dust from sheetrock and broken concrete that it is.

It's the claims that people like jammonius make that ensure that there is no "truth movement" in NYC. The claims are contradicted by what we saw with our own eyes.
 
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people were saved from the rubble at GZ. FDNY personnel survived in tower 1 as tower 2 was collapsing.

an energy beam? would have killed them all.

DEW is perhaps one of the most insane conspiracy theories ever developed, in modern history.
 
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here is a truck carrying WTC "dust".

[qimg]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/377851947_e0229d9c1d.jpg[/qimg]

look, more "dust"

[qimg]http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/images/pagemaster/Beam_truck1.jpg[/qimg]

more "dust".

[qimg]http://jonjost.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/911-steel-for-sale.jpg[/qimg]

"dust"??

[qimg]http://www.historycommons.org/events-images/379_wtc_steel_beams2050081722-9429.jpg[/qimg]

That went on for months. A few weeks after 9/11 that road was opened up to commuter traffic and my morning bus commute took me right past those trucks with their loads of steel. Some of the trucks were special haulers for extra-heavy sections.
 


But yet, I show this picture:

911_HighQualityPhotos1592.jpg



... and he uses it to claim that it's possible to pile that "dust" into multistorey piles:
It shows, I believe a pile that was created by the cleanup process, and not present in the aftermath of the 9/11 attack.

Then he foolishly posts a different image that, in addition to mine, happens to completely disprove his own "dustification" claim:

Instead, the following is a truer representation of the flatness of GZ:

Image276.jpg

All this while in a separate post he tries to claim that the steel was turned to dust.

:eye-poppi

Wow. His own image refutes his claim. Talk about not being able to understand what he's looking at. Even evidence he himself posts demonstrates that his claims are wrong.

Any question that Jam here doesn't have any clue what he's talking about?
 
people were saved from the rubble at GZ. FDNY personnel survived in tower 1 as tower 2 was collapsing.

an energy beam? would have killed them all.

DEW is perhaps one of the most insane conspiracy theories ever developed, in modern history.

No kidding. It's sort of hard to find something that outdoes micronukes, but leave it to conspiracy addicts to come up with the most impossible ways to make a tower collapse.

I'm just waiting for some idiot to shoehorn chemtrails into 9/11. :D
 
Steel being turned to dust instantaneously:
[qimg]http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/GJS-WTC030c_original.jpg[/qimg]
Look!
Hey Jam I have some simple questions that if you can anwer may help your case.

1. Do you have any reports of dust being attracted to magnets or anything else with magnets inside?

2. Did any of the dust turn red after it was exposed to water followed by open air?

3. How many first responders suffered heavy metal poisoning?
 
Of course I think Dr. Judy is a joke, but let's take this seriously. Let's summarize the properties this energy beam is supposed to now have.
1. It instantly turns metal in to dust.
2. It does this without sound.
3. It is an invisible beam.
4. It does this without generating noticeable amounts of heat.
5. It is not radioactive.
6. It leaves behind no identifiable signature traces except the dust.

Have I missed anything?
 
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But, there was a thread that I seem to recall that dealt with the issue of DEBRIS HEIGHT at Ground Zero. As I recall it, that thread caused, shall we say, quite a stir around here. For my part, suffice it to say, the evidence in support of the claim ground zero was flattened, thus confirming, among other things, that the steel had been pulverized and turned to dust, was rather overwhelming.

Did you participate in that food for thought fest, carlitos?

Well, guess what, friend, amongst the newly released ABC stash of photos are those that further confirm that GROUND ZERO WAS FLAT. So much so that, in fact, ABC had to construct a propaganda layer claiming the photos show a debris pile when, in fact, the photos plainly show the opposite.

Here's where to begin and an excerpt:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sept...tos-new-york-fire-department/story?id=9819500

"They show, among other things, firefighters climbing atop the massive piles of rubble in darkness, hours before large generator-powered lights were brought in to the scene. Some photos offer a close-up look at the massive debris filling lower Manhattan streets. Others show the thick gray ash and countless pages of white office paper that settled over the devastated area."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/slideshow?id=9817532

The actual slide show confirms just the opposite of the above propaganda. Here's but 1 example:

[qimg]http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ht_09ffcotten%20_wtc_100212_ssv.jpg[/qimg]

the firefighters are on the ground, as is the apparatus, of course, AND, the fire hoses are pointed downward! That is the opposite of the false claim that sounds, at first glance as if heights are being scaled: "... firefighters climbing atop the massive piles of rubble..."

You see, carlitos, there was never any need for me to declare 'victory" or to assert "I am right, you are wrong" or anything like that. All we need do here is LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.

Here's one more for your consideration of the fact that ground zero was flat:

[qimg]http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ht_fdny1820_11_100212_ssv.jpg[/qimg]

This one's pretty interesting because it reveals that the iconic one, shot from an angle and looking up makes it seem as if there's height when, in reality, there was none. You remember that iconic photo that tried to give the impression (false) of height don't you? Or, do you want me to post it up next to the one shown above, showing gz was flat as a pancake?

Ok, here is WTC lobby shot Pre-9/11 (Obviously)

wtcinlobby1.jpg


And here is a good shot AFTER the collapse

WTC4160.jpg




Now, using the tops of the candlesticks as reference, how FLAT does that look to you??
 
At some point, discussion becomes rather fixed. Your quoted claim is made almost immediately below post #247 (to mention only the most recent visual evidence of steel being turned to dust that I have posted) that shows steel being turned to dust, at least arguably. And, I think it's the better argument. Yet again, these extreme declarations of 100% right -- you -- and 100% wrong -- me -- in the face of visual data THAT I AM POSTING and not you, is extraordinary.

It is inappropriate, I think, to make extreme declarations about what you claim MY VISUAL DATA SHOW, while simultaneously showing nothing at all to support your claim.

:boggled:

Jammonius,

I've got concern for you, seriously I do. Since steel was first forged there is no record of any blacksmiths or iron/steel workers coming forward to claim that steel can be turned to "dust" by an imaginary space weapon.

The visual data (photographs) that you supplied has given everyones eyes a chance to see what's contained in the pictures. The pictures you supplied show no evidence of steel being turned to "dust". The dust everyone sees is the 4" concrete floor slabs being pulverized. Or that GZ was "flat" when it clearly wasn't flat to begin with after the collapses of WTC 1, 2 & 7.

So no matter what you claim or say, you will be proved 100% WRONG!

Deal with the reality that you messed up & you won't admit you made a grave mistake!
 
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Wow guys,

"... those who have formally contested the false and fraudulent investigations ..."

"... Dr. Wood put NIST on notice of the meaning and the significance of the photo ..."

"... about the claims and the evidence and the proof of validity of Dr. Judy Wood ..."

"... For my part, suffice it to say, ..."

"... I want to assure you that based on your stated background, which I will address further hereunder, ..."

"... Non sequitors of the type you engaged in as quoted above ..."

"... some individuals I know of and/or have communicated with ..."

"... Do you admit and acknowledge there is no official explanation ..."

I do believe, and/or consider truthful, and/or give credence to, and/or am of the opinion that Merry Pason is in da house.


You do know that the mound seen here is WTC 7 that was higher than the remnant of the Twin Towers; and, as to WTC 7, these firefighters are walking right in front of it, on the sidewalk. GZ was flat, as is shown:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ht_07ffcotten_wtc_100212_ssh.jpg

Sure thing, Merry.

"Flat as a pancake", eh?

Here's a couple dozen photos that prove that you're a lying troll.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/groundzero.html#ground

BTW, einstein, the fact that you can find a couple of photos on the edge of the destruction where people are walking on flat pavement no more disproves the multiple story rubble pile than Kansas "disproves" the existence of the Rocky Mountains.

Nice try, tho.

(Not really. As a presentation of your case, it really kinda fell flat on its face. You're not particularly good at this "debating" stuff, are you?!)

Annoying "evidence"...
 
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this has been fun, but I realize we are giving this idiot a lot more attention than he deserves.
 

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