Juan williams fired from NPR

[Unabogie]

Muslim.
Is.
Not.
A.
Race.

Jewish is not a race.

 

[Thunder]

Muslim.
Is.
Not.
A.
Race.

and
this
is
relevant
how?

 

[Thunder]

I don't know anything about him or why he got fired but maybe he is saying those fears are not neccesarily bigoted not that they cannot be bigoted.

People may have unreasonable fears because of something that happened and not be racist.

yes. one can have racist feelings, while not being a complete racist.

 

[eeyore1954]

Muslim.
Is.
Not.
A.
Race.

I should have said bigotted.

 

[Thunder]

One cannot be bigoted against Islam, as Islam is a political agenda...not a religion.

 

[GreNME]

Muslim.
Is.
Not.
A.
Race.

Oh, then prejudice and bigotry against Muslims isn't a bad thing. Right?

 

[Unabogie]

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as a Catholic priest .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the pedophilia scandals.

Yesterday NPR fired me for telling the truth. The truth is that I worry when I am getting on an airplane and see people dressed in garb that identifies them first and foremost as a Christian .

This is not a bigoted statement. It is a statement of my feelings, my fears after the guy murdered Dr. Tiller.

I can go all day with this stuff. Stereotypes are wicked easy.

 

[Puppycow]

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved....

- Jesse Jackson

Having uncomfortable feelings is not bigotry.

Would it be bigotry if a woman was walking home at night and looked back to see a large man walking behind her and she felt scared? Is that bigotry too?

It only becomes bigotry if you act to deny people their rights based on your fears.

 

[Thunder]

- Jesse Jackson

Having uncomfortable feelings is not bigotry.

irrationally fearing that all black men are up to no good, is indeed bigotry.

does this mean Jesse has some racist feelings against black people? yep.

I'm sure he is not proud nor happy about it.

 

[Unabogie]

- Jesse Jackson

Having uncomfortable feelings is not bigotry.

Would it be bigotry if a woman was walking home at night and looked back to see a large man walking behind her and she felt scared? Is that bigotry too?

It only becomes bigotry if you act to deny people their rights based on your fears.

Oh? It requires you to act against someone to be a bigot? Like a black man walks up to a white woman and asks for the time, she calls him a racist name and walks off? Did she deny him any rights? Is she a bigot?

I don't think you've thought this one through.

 

[Unabogie]

- Jesse Jackson

Having uncomfortable feelings is not bigotry.

Would it be bigotry if a woman was walking home at night and looked back to see a large man walking behind her and she felt scared? Is that bigotry too?

It only becomes bigotry if you act to deny people their rights based on your fears.

Jesse is a known bigot. Remember Hymie Town?

Oh, I forgot. Jewish is not a race, and he didn't deny anyone rights, so he's not a bigot.

 

[Thunder]

Which race is Jewish?

who the **** said "Jewish is a race"????

stop trying to derail this thread.

 

[Puppycow]

Oh? It requires you to act against someone to be a bigot? Like a black man walks up to a white woman and asks for the time, she calls him a racist name and walks off? Did she deny him any rights? Is she a bigot?

I don't think you've thought this one through.

Let me rephrase that:
The feelings themselves are not bigotry if you are self-aware, have self-control, and don't act like a jerk based on them.

 

[Thunder]

Let me rephrase that:
The feelings themselves are not bigotry if you are self-aware, have self-control, and don't act like a jerk based on them.

huh?

err?

why aren't bigoted feelings...bigotry?

you are making little sense.

 

[Unabogie]

Let me rephrase that:
The feelings themselves are not bigotry if you are self-aware, have self-control, and don't act like a jerk based on them.

Oh? That's a novel definition. Websters says:

a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

So the traditional meaning of the word is how you think, not just how you act.

 

[Thunder]

there is such a thing as bigoted ideas and feelings.

 

[Piggy]

NPR fired Juan Williams?!

Holy smokes!

Btw, does anybody have a link to the original quotation that got him fired, in full context? I'd be interested in hearing that.

 

[hgc]

Are you intentionally being obtuse?
The relevance is not the dress--it is the association, and the self-identification "Hey, look at me! I am a Muslim, in an airport. Remember what Muslims did on 9/11/2001?" is the message many people see. Were it not for the dress, one might have no idea that they ARE Muslim.

When I'm obtuse, it's always accidental.

What kind of a person has a reaction like you describe? Seeing people that look like a Muslim, by what they wear, on the airplane makes one think about Muslims on airplanes in general and, thus, get nervous about flying? Is that you're describing? I think that's illogical. Either you know Muslims are flying on our planes or you don't. If you do, you may fear being hijacked. You don't suddenly gain that knowledge because you see a Muslim in some identifiable dress. It's a bald admission of irrational fear. If I became cognizant of an irrational fear that I had, I wouldn't use that fear as a justification for a defense of someone else's controversial behavior (as in Williams defending O'Reilly). I'd instead try to set myself straight and got over it.

Nonetheless, Williams specifically brings up this thing about seeing a person wear a particular kind of clothes, associated with their religion, marks them as putting their religiosity above ... something. So he's referring specifcally to the person he's looking at wearing this outfit. Which brings me back to my prior comment -- it doesn't make sense to fear these nefariously costumed travelers in relation to a threat like on 9/11, when all 19 perpetrators wore western clothing on that day, and as far as I know, for most of the rest of their time in this country.

 

[Unabogie]

who the **** said "Jewish is a race"????

stop trying to derail this thread.

Huh? He asked what race is Muslim. I was pointing out that Jews are also multi-racial.

Reading comprehension fail, Parky.

 

[Unabogie]

NPR fired Juan Williams?!

Holy smokes!

Btw, does anybody have a link to the original quotation that got him fired, in full context? I'd be interested in hearing that.

http://www.thinkprogress.org/2010/10/19/williams-oreilly-muslims/

WILLIAMS: Well, actually, I hate to say this to you because I don’t want to get your ego going. But I think you’re right. I think, look, political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don’t address reality.


I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.
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