Joy Reid........lying Homophobe

The Library of Congress has a separate Wayback Mirror, which still contains her posts, archived at the times they were made.

Her claims of hacking would never normally pass muster.

Why anyone is accepting them is beyond me.
 
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Hang on.

Robots.txt can stop a crawler from indexing her blog once installed, but surely it cannot retroactively kill any previous indexings of her site. If her blog was indexed by the Wayback Machine archive before the countermeasures were installed, then all those previous indexings should be intact and still accessible in the archive.
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They are presumably still available to Wayback operators, but regular searchers can't see them anymore.
 
SO the likelihood of her being hacked is slim.

However, I'd still hate to be held accountable for the things I said 10-20 years ago. Hell, if people knew what I thought 20 odd years ago, they would think I was a JFK conspiracy theorist, which I was; a genuine, full blown "second shooter on the Grassy Knoll" advocate! I would also have been, by today's standards, considered to be a bit of a racist and bigot; I used to tell Irish, Jewish and negro jokes (and Gay jokes) and laugh at them too. I don't any more... people can change with the times.

Who was it that said "the past is another country, they do things differently there"?. IMO people should be held accountable for what the say now, not what they may have said in the past. Applying today's standards to things people said in the past is not really fair, or a good idea.
 
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You'd think that after Anthony Weiner people would learn that "someone hacked me" is, in most cases, easily falsifiable. It's much easier to simply apologize.

But then I'm oddly more worried about people who are homophobic NOW and currently hold political office.

I don't know why applecorped think 20-year-old statements from a 2nd-tier journalist are worse than Mike Pence's homophobia, but I'm sure he'll be along to explain shortly.
 
smartcooky said:
SO the likelihood of her being hacked is slim.

However, I'd still hate to be held accountable for the things I said 10-20 years ago. Hell, if people knew what I thought 20 odd years ago, they would think I was a JFK conspiracy theorist, which I was; a genuine, full blown "second shooter on the Grassy Knoll" advocate! I would also have been, by today's standards, considered to be a bit of a racist and bigot; I used to tell Irish, Jewish and negro jokes (and Gay jokes) and laugh at them too. I don't any more... people can change with the times.

Who was it that said "the past is another country, they do things differently there"?. IMO people should be held accountable for what the say now, not what they may have said in the past. Applying today's standards to things people said in the past is not really fair, or a good idea.
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"20 odd years ago." No, that past is not "another country" when it comes to offensive humor. You just enjoyed offensive humor.

It's really weird when people act like ethnic/racial sensitivity is a creation of the 21st century. It isn't. This is stuff that was being covered in my public schools in the 80s. It was a human resources priority while I was working in offices in the 90s.

Do I think someone should be stood against the wall today for what they said "20 odd years ago?" Nope. On the other hand, I also don't think lame excuses ("it was a different time" for example) are acceptable for the offensive things they said way back when. It wasn't the 1950s "20 odd years ago."
 
Twenty years ago I was a young-earth creationist and devout fundy. I'd also never had cancer. People change.
 
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Twenty years ago I was a young-earth creationist and devout fundy. I'd also never had cancer. People change.
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Yeah, they do, but it wasn't the 90s that made you a fundamentalist YEC any more than it was the 80s and 90s that made me believe in various paranormal ********.
 
smartcooky said:
SO the likelihood of her being hacked is slim.

However, I'd still hate to be held accountable for the things I said 10-20 years ago. Hell, if people knew what I thought 20 odd years ago, they would think I was a JFK conspiracy theorist, which I was; a genuine, full blown "second shooter on the Grassy Knoll" advocate! I would also have been, by today's standards, considered to be a bit of a racist and bigot; I used to tell Irish, Jewish and negro jokes (and Gay jokes) and laugh at them too. I don't any more... people can change with the times.

Who was it that said "the past is another country, they do things differently there"?. IMO people should be held accountable for what the say now, not what they may have said in the past. Applying today's standards to things people said in the past is not really fair, or a good idea.
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Agreed - but if she's lying about it today, and her job demands honesty - which her job does, then that's a problem.

Which is why I'm wondering why bother lying about it, since that's a much larger issue. I pointed out before that angry Bernie stans and right-wing lunatics have been after her for a long time now, and she knows it, so why hand them anything?
 
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"20 odd years ago." No, that past is not "another country" when it comes to offensive humor. You just enjoyed offensive humor.
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Yes, I did, and I don't any more.

Babbylonian said:
It's really weird when people act like ethnic/racial sensitivity is a creation of the 21st century. It isn't. This is stuff that was being covered in my public schools in the 80s. It was a human resources priority while I was working in offices in the 90s.
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We never had anything like that here at that time. Race based jokes only began to become unacceptable here around the late 1990s early 2000. Certainly in the 1980's they were still commonplace... In some parts of Australia, they still seem to be.

Babbylonian said:
Do I think someone should be stood against the wall today for what they said "20 odd years ago?" Nope. On the other hand, I also don't think lame excuses ("it was a different time" for example) are acceptable for the offensive things they said way back when. It wasn't the 1950s "20 odd years ago."
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I find somewhat off that many serious crimes (such as rape and burglary) can have a statute of limitations, but there appears to be no limit to how long ago anything you said can be held against you.
 
Mumbles said:
Agreed - but if she's lying about it today, and her job demands honesty - which her job does, then that's a problem.

Which is why I'm wondering why bother lying about it, since that's a much larger issue. I pointed out before that angry Bernie stans and right-wing lunatics have been after her for a long time now, and she knows it, so why hand them anything?
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She didn't hand *them* anything. She handed her allies something they couldn't ignore.
 
Mumbles said:
Agreed - but if she's lying about it today, and her job demands honesty - which her job does, then that's a problem.

Which is why I'm wondering why bother lying about it, since that's a much larger issue. I pointed out before that angry Bernie stans and right-wing lunatics have been after her for a long time now, and she knows it, so why hand them anything?
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Fear combined with ignorance - in this case, ignorance of how computers and "hacking" work. I suspect she figured that, given the amount of time involved, a claim of hacking couldn't be disproved. There's a little truth to that in that it probably can't be absolutely, 100% ruled out, but there remains enough evidence to make the alleged hacking highly improbable.

The lesson - one that every child should be expected to have been taught - is that the truth is easier, even if it's attached to some suffering. Lies require a lot more work and too often end up revealed anyway.
 
smartcooky said:
We never had anything like that here at that time. Race based jokes only began to become unacceptable here around the late 1990s early 2000. Certainly in the 1980's they were still commonplace... In some parts of Australia, they still seem to be.
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I guess sometimes it's unfortunate that American culture doesn't get exported quickly.
I find somewhat off that many serious crimes (such as rape and burglary) can have a statute of limitations, but there appears to be no limit to how long ago anything you said can be held against you.
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I agree. Then again, a big part of the problem is that there are people who simply refuse to own up to their past failings. I think that it's fair to ask people about their past, especially people who want to change or govern the way others think and behave (I don't particularly care if, for example, the person selling me insurance used to be a virulent racist). Their responses can reveal a lot about who they are today and, depending on their position, that might be important information.
 
smartcooky said:
On the other hand there are some aspects of American culture that have thankfully not been exported at all.... their love affair with guns for one!
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I would accept a change from "sometimes" to "rare times" (or whatever works grammatically).
 
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