Joy Reid........lying Homophobe

Mumbles said:
Her statement concerning Crist has not changed. The person who discovered those has somehow suddenly found a bunch of other posts (now that Sean Hannity's brazen issues have come to light - odd that), and *those* are ones she claims were hacked.

On her side - apparently a notarized letter dating back to last December asking Google to investigate the matter, signed by a lawyer. Also, the main people hyping this are some Bernie Sanders fans that have been spewing racism her way for years now, including the person who just found these posts and Glenn Greenwald, and right-wing white nationalists like Mike Cernovich and the Breitbart team.

Still, I wouldn't put it past her to have said homophobic/transphobic things in the past...but why deny these when she has owned up to her Charlie Crist stuff? Basically, it's a big "wait and see" for the moment.
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Wait.. What?

Greenwald helped Snowden get his stuff out. He lives with his gay husband in Brazil now. He's as far from the right wing as you can get and he's certainly not a white nationalist.
 
shemp said:
Two questions:
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Two answers:

1. Who is she?
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Someone PFLAG considered a valuable ally in their work of "advancing equality through its mission of support, education, and advocacy".

2. Why the hell should I care?
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Because you care about PFLAG and their work, and you hope that they are generally successful in "niting people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) with families, friends, and allies".

(https://www.pflag.org/about)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
She did. It's more than a decade ago. We'll see if one really can hack the Wayback Machine files which is what she said happened when more bad blogs were found.

It's all unfortunate, she was one of the few newscasters left that called people on their lies and refused to let them come on her show just to repeat campaign speeches.
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Her claims of hacking have already been busted, though.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/25/media/joy-reid-msnbc-host-wayback-machine/index.html
The Library of Congress archive reviewed by CNNMoney -- which the Library says is created using a local installation of the Wayback Machine -- contains the disputed posts and lists them as having been archived on January 12, 2006.
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It didn't help Reid's credibility when the representative for the Wayback Machine rebutted her claim on Tuesday afternoon.

"When we reviewed the archives, we found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking of the Wayback Machine versions," wrote Chris Butler on the Wayback Machine's blog. "At least some of the examples of allegedly fraudulent posts provided to us had been archived at different dates and by different entities."

Butler said "the point at which the manipulation is to have occurred, according to Reid, is still unclear to us," and that he and his colleagues "let Reid's lawyers know that the information provided was not sufficient for us to verify claims of manipulation."

"Consequently, and due to Reid's being a journalist (a very high-profile one, at that) and the journalistic nature of the blog archives, we declined to take down the archives," Butler wrote. "We were clear that we would welcome and consider any further information that they could provide us to support their claims."
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Wait.. What?

Greenwald helped Snowden get his stuff out. He lives with his gay husband in Brazil now. He's as far from the right wing as you can get and he's certainly not a white nationalist.
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He's also appeared on Tucker Carlson decrying all reporting on the links between Putin and Trump's campaign, and is virulently anti-immigration (or at least was, up until a few years back - if he won't forgive Joy's old stuff, than I won't forgive his).

But I didn't call him Right-Wing, himself. He certainly finds common causes with many of them, though, and has been eager to attack black people (particularly women) who were at all skeptical of Bernie Sanders.

(A minor update - people who looked at Reid's defunct blog have noted that, unlike her other posts - these ones have 0 comments from...um...readers. Still not proof that her blog was hacked, but it's odd.)
 
theprestige said:
As Groucho Marx once said, I wouldn't want to be in an alliance with anyone who would have me for an ally.

Also, is an "allyship award" like a participation trophy? Or is it more like a non-participation trophy?

Also, people change over time, hopefully for the better as they absorb new evidence and influences. Who cares what she may have said years ago on a long defunct and deleted blog? Even Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage before she was for gay marriage.

If she really did say these things, then this is an uplifting redemption story. A confirmation that prejudices can be rehabilitated, that haters can can change their spots and become valuable allies in the fight for social justice. Don't persecuted minorities have enough enemies already, without going after the converts to their cause?

And why bother to convert, then, if conversion doesn't lead to forgiveness and reconciliation? What would Pascal wager, in this case?
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For most people, forgiveness requires repentance. If she truly made up this story about "hacking", that doesn't sound like repentance.

She'd have been a lot better off to simply say that she has changed her position. Then this wouldn't be nearly as big a story. If she lied about the hacking, all she accomplished was to draw more attention to the story.
 
Mumbles said:
He's also appeared on Tucker Carlson decrying all reporting on the links between Putin and Trump's campaign, and is virulently anti-immigration (or at least was, up until a few years back - if he won't forgive Joy's old stuff, than I won't forgive his).

But I didn't call him Right-Wing, himself. He certainly finds common causes with many of them, though, and has been eager to attack black people (particularly women) who were at all skeptical of Bernie Sanders.

(A minor update - people who looked at Reid's defunct blog have noted that, unlike her other posts - these ones have 0 comments from...um...readers. Still not proof that her blog was hacked, but it's odd.)
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A total lack of comments on controversial anti-gay blog posts by a reasonably well known journalist is extremely odd indeed, as we would normally expect hand-wringers and SJWs to be all over it. If all the disputed posts have 0 comments, and the majority of other posts do have comments, then that is extremely suspicious. I don't much like Reid, nonetheless I hope this isn't missed in the rush to judgement.
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/the-evidence-is-not-with-joy-reid/558935/

"It’s not possible to view the Internet Archive’s public stash of Reid blog posts because Reid’s team recently inserted code into the site that prevents the Internet Archive from indexing it.

But the Internet Archive’s Brewster Kahle confirmed to me that the Wayback Machine crawled Reid’s site back in the 2000s—and that there was nothing suspicious about the way the posts appeared in the archives. Nelson wrote, “with multiple copies geographically and administratively dispersed throughout the globe, an adversary would have had to hack multiple web archives and alter their contents (cf. lockss.org), or have hacked the original site (blog.reidreport.com) approximately 12 years ago for adulterated pages to have been hosted at all the different web archives.”
 
Joy's cyber security expert has some interesting friends:

“Like are most of you aware that I NOT ONLY know Andrew (stromfront admin), but I was the principal element livetweeting his release from [prison],” tweeted Nichols on December 9, 2017. “If you try REALLY HARD you’ll see that I’m connected to the leadership of [Stormfront]. If you try just a bit harder you’ll figure it out.”
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Brainster said:
Joy's cyber security expert has some interesting friends:
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He has an interesting resume too

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanmnichols

LTC8K6 said:
http://blog.archive.org/2018/04/24/...anipulated-blog-posts-in-the-wayback-machine/

The blog posts are apparently now gone from the Wayback Machine anyway?
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Well, they previously said they would not take them down, and now they have. What has changed? Does this mean they have discovered that the blog posts were hacked after all, and on their site?
 
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Brainster said:
Robots.txt happened. Apparently her cyber-security expert knows how to foil archive.org.
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Hang on.

Robots.txt can stop a crawler from indexing her blog once installed, but surely it cannot retroactively kill any previous indexings of her site. If her blog was indexed by the Wayback Machine archive before the countermeasures were installed, then all those previous indexings should be intact and still accessible in the archive.
 
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