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Jonathan Cainer the astrologer

dannagain said:
I think you actually mean pretentious. If you do mean presumptuous then I cannot understand what your point is.

Also, I don't think I've ever heard anyone actually say 'to be or not to be' who wasn't a) under 10 b) not taking the piss.

what the hell are you talking about? have you even read or seen a shakespeare play?



pre·sump·tu·ous /prɪˈzʌmptʃuəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pri-zuhmp-choo-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. full of, characterized by, or showing presumption or readiness to presume in conduct or thought.
2. unwarrantedly or impertinently bold; forward.
3. Obsolete. presumptive.


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[Origin: 1300–50; ME < LL praesūmptuōsus, var. of L praesūmptiōsus. See presumption, -ous]

—Related forms
pre·sump·tu·ous·ly, adverb
pre·sump·tu·ous·ness, noun


—Synonyms 1, 2. impertinent, audacious; fresh; arrogant. See bold.
—Antonyms 1, 2. modest, unassuming.
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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source pre·sump·tu·ous (prĭ-zŭmp'chōō-əs) Pronunciation Key
adj. Going beyond what is right or proper; excessively forward.


[Middle English, from Old French presumptueux, from Late Latin praesūmptuōsus, variant of praesūmptiōsus, from praesūmptiō, presumption; see presumption.]

pre·sump'tu·ous·ly adv., pre·sump'tu·ous·ness n.
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yes pretensious. Since i began to learn German, my english began to worsen. I no longer read much in english
 
Locknar said:
Just seems as detailed as your reading was, you would have fit that part in as well. I'm sure it was just an oversight, but it does give the "explaination after the fact" apperance.

Similar in nature to the entire Cainer debate; he accepted the conditions and information as provided, yet supports now claim (after the fact) the test was rigged becaues no birth time was provided....yet have no proof of this being the case.
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Here is me chart
 
idunno said:
how did you expect me to claim this before the fact??
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Because you are the one who is claiming that astrology is predictive. However, all of the predictions you have made have failed. It is only when you are making claims after the fact that you can claim any success, but 20/20 hindsight is not paranormal.

The ones who knowastrology certainly know what im talking about.
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I know astrology. What you are talking about is bunk.
 
dannagain said:
EDIT: It seems that our friend idunno is spanish or possibly portuguese speaking. In Spansh 'Othello' is called 'Otelo' and 'Midsummer Night's Dream' seems to be called 'Midnight Summer's Dream' http://www.teiamoner.com/ang/somniang.htm

So it seems his previous statement is not as retarded as it first sounded.
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Seems not. Sorry, idunno!

Though that is still a very weird translation of the title of "A Midsummer's Night Dream". I mean, calling it "Midnight Summer's Dream" (in Spanish) instead is actually changing the very meaning of the title all together. A dream in summer at midnight, is nowhere near the same things as a dream on a midsummer night :confused:
 
idunno said:
its called markleting. First you say something in the newsp then you explain astrology is more than sun sign
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Actually that is not how it works. Here astrologers write horoscopes in newspapers then they encourage to you to call £1 a minute phone lines depending on your star sign.

You miss the point however.

Given that to be accurate you say astrologers need the birth place and time does that mean that newspaper horoscopes are not accurate (clue - it is a yes or no answer).

Given that to be accurate you say astrologers need the birth place and time does that mean that pre-recorded telephone horoscopes are not accurate (clue - it is a yes or no answer).

To ask a possibly unrelated question.

Is it ethical to charge people £1 a minute for inaccurate information purporting to relate to their finances, love live and social relationships ? (Feel free to expand beyond 'No' if you wish)
 
Jonathan cainer Vs Hugh Laurie

Was Cainer really far off?

Paraphrasing....
1. "...This person has a sharp professorial mind. An academic."
In the video he claims he received the lowest degree from his university. He didn't say that university was Cambridge! That's like being the uglist Victoria Secrets model. He recieved a degree in anthropology & archaeology. This is academic.
Cainer: 1
Skeptic: 0
2. "...This person likes the limelight."
Hugh Laurie is an actor!
B. He has a quirky sense of humor. He's larger than life.
Hugh was a character on the hit BBC show Black Adder, a comedy show starring Rowan Attikinson. Everyone may think they have a sense of humor, but not everyone can make a living at it. He's also 6'2, and in the video he's wearing blue socks. He's funny.
Cainer: 2
Skepic: 0

2. "...This person exudes confidence. He's an extrovert."
He does seem to be squirming in the video as if he's uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have confidence. Stephen Fry says he spends a large portion of his life trying to reassure his friend. If you look at Hugh's biography, you'll see that he's dealt with clinical depression most of his life. It would difficult o have confidence and be extroverted if you have a chemical imbalance. The astrologer shouldn't be blamed for this.

Cainer: .5
Skeptics: .5

I think also being on a skeptics show one might be more inclined to be skeptical. An astrologer needs more than a few minutes to describe all the nuances of a personalty. If you've ever seen the description for a chart, its usually a few pages long. It takes about an hour to get a reading. I wouldn't mind a discerning look at astrology if it was done correctly. Get several charts and compare them to the real person. Don't put a guy on stage and heckle him.
 
You've dragged up a three year-old thread just to say you think astrology might not be crap? This will not end well.
 
Not only that but he/she's nommed their very first JREF post on this zombie thread in the TLA!
 
One hesitates to use a term implying a poster is some form of mythical creature with a bridge fixation so early on in their posting career, but damn. :eye-poppi
 
idunno said:
>hi
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>he seems to have a point here

No, he has not, but no matter -- I won't be going into this because
it is a waste of time and effort. This type of arrogant know-alls (Randi`s forum)
won't be convinced in any way, as long as other explanations do not
excactly fit theirs.

So :cool: , I beg you another time, don't bother me with this kind of
people any more.
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You are very funny.I blame care in the community.Astrology is bunk.
 
So, I am a widely-read astrologer who knows that I am going to be put to the test by a professional showman. I am given some birth information and am asked to construct a chart. I do so and then walk out in front of the audience. At that point I see Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry sitting in the front row. A camera focuses on Hugh Laurie who is trying to hide his face. Personally, I would then throw out my constructed chart and then simply describe Mr. Laurie. But that's just me.

This is not a blinded test. I would bet everything I own that this protocol would not qualify for the MDC.

Lastly, if astrologers require more than a few minutes to describe a personality, then why did this professional astrologer agree to describe the personality in a few minutes?
 
Ladewig said:
So, I am a widely-read astrologer who knows that I am going to be put to the test by a professional showman. I am given some birth information and am asked to construct a chart. I do so and then walk out in front of the audience. At that point I see Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry sitting in the front row. A camera focuses on Hugh Laurie who is trying to hide his face. Personally, I would then throw out my constructed chart and then simply describe Mr. Laurie. But that's just me.

This is not a blinded test. I would bet everything I own that this protocol would not qualify for the MDC.

Lastly, if astrologers require more than a few minutes to describe a personality, then why did this professional astrologer agree to describe the personality in a few minutes?
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Have you ever read an astrological chart that said "You are a waste of space and the world would be a better place without you?" It's all about stroking the egos of the gullible.
 
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